ee 3.0 and … is everybody holding their breath?

Should be in the “News & Stats” accessory. … you can enable it in Add-ons > Accessories.

Looks like it was never installed. Found and enabled.

I totally agree with Collin. I was also going to mention that. I find it very strange there was no email to current customers.

I only found out about EE3 because some weeks ago I visited the Ellis Lab website and saw the EE3 Beta so I knew it was close and started to check the blog every other day since then.

I’m sure that most EE users at this point are not even aware EE3 exists.

Thanks both, your feedback has been helpful. As a side note after double checking, I was correct, we can’t send an email to all customers unless they have specifically opted in to getting marketing emails from us. I’ll look into some ways to give previous customers a way to opt in that’s more obvious, though. Thanks!

Is constructive criticism not allowed?

I would drag an drop an image of my post that was removed, but the forum module’s image uploader is about 10 years in the past.

You disabled blog comments due to too many critical comments, maybe you should do the same for the forums?

It wasn’t constructive, and part of fixing these forums is to return to moderating them so that it’s a platform to help each other. Unprofessional or insulting rants directed at anybody will be deleted.

We are a non-profit educational organization that has been using ExpressionEngine since 2008. We are currently running two ExpressionEngine installs with a total of 88 MSM sites between them. We were excited to see EE3 was now available but sticker shocked at the price for us to upgrade. Why are we having to repurchase our MSM sites in order to upgrade to EE3? Because of this it will cost us close to $10,000 to upgrade to EE3. While it would be a pain to switch to a different CMS, with the amount of content we have within EE, we may have no choice because it will be hard to justify the price to our administration.

We are a non-profit educational organization that has been using ExpressionEngine since 2008. We are currently running two ExpressionEngine installs with a total of 88 MSM sites between them. We were excited to see EE3 was now available but sticker shocked at the price for us to upgrade. Why are we having to repurchase our MSM sites in order to upgrade to EE3? Because of this it will cost us close to $10,000 to upgrade to EE3. While it would be a pain to switch to a different CMS, with the amount of content we have within EE, we may have no choice because it will be hard to justify the price to our administration.

Hi,

Upgrade pricing for eecms 3 and MSM sites is currently $99 and $49 per site.

So for 1 eecms upgrade plus 88 site upgrades you are looking at $4,411. I hope that helps!

We are a non-profit educational organization that has been using ExpressionEngine since 2008. We are currently running two ExpressionEngine installs with a total of 88 MSM sites between them. We were excited to see EE3 was now available but sticker shocked at the price for us to upgrade. Why are we having to repurchase our MSM sites in order to upgrade to EE3? Because of this it will cost us close to $10,000 to upgrade to EE3. While it would be a pain to switch to a different CMS, with the amount of content we have within EE, we may have no choice because it will be hard to justify the price to our administration.

Hi, Upgrade pricing for eecms 3 and MSM sites is currently $99 and $49 per site. So for 1 eecms upgrade plus 88 site upgrades you are looking at $4,411. I hope that helps!

We will not be able to get approval for purchase before your sale ends. And after November 12th if we were to upgrade it will cost us $9,010.00.

I don’t recall having to repurchase MSM sites that we already owned when upgrading from EE1 to EE2. Why now?

We will not be able to get approval for purchase before your sale ends. And after November 12th if we were to upgrade it will cost us $9,010.00. I don’t recall having to repurchase MSM sites that we already owned when upgrading from EE1 to EE2. Why now?

We can work with you on pricing if your approval process will put you outside the sale end date, go ahead and send an email when you have approval locked into a specific timeframe and we’ll work something out.

We will not be able to get approval for purchase before your sale ends. And after November 12th if we were to upgrade it will cost us $9,010.00. I don’t recall having to repurchase MSM sites that we already owned when upgrading from EE1 to EE2. Why now?

We can work with you on pricing if your approval process will put you outside the sale end date, go ahead and send an email when you have approval locked into a specific timeframe and we’ll work something out.

Thank you for your quick response, James. I’m still curious as to the reason behind us being required to repurchase our MSM licenses. I know this wasn’t the case when going from EE1 to EE2, we still have our invoice. ExpressionEngine used to be an affordable CMS that we could (and would!) highly recommend to the 30 universities in our system, but with this change in your pricing structure, it’s gone from a purchase that we could easily afford to a purchase that will require a budget line item and a whole approval process.

Thank you for your quick response, James. I’m still curious as to the reason behind us being required to repurchase our MSM licenses. I know this wasn’t the case when going from EE1 to EE2, we still have our invoice. ExpressionEngine used to be an affordable CMS that we could (and would!) highly recommend to the 30 universities in our system, but with this change in your pricing structure, it’s gone from a purchase that we could easily afford to a purchase that will require a budget line item and a whole approval process.

No Problem.

We feel we’ve priced the software and it’s upgrades in a very affordable manner, but we understand that is subjective, and so that is why we offered the discount pricing period.

MSM is now included with ExpressionEngine 3, but the sites are not, so they come with an upgrade pricing structure.

ExpressionEngine 2 had a very long product cycle, and in turn came with many years of free upgrades.

Going forward our goal is a faster development cycle, with more frequent releases. We’ll determine for each release what the best upgrade pricing is for that release. It depends on the amount of time and effort that goes into it.

For ExpressionEngine 3, there was a lot of time and effort, thus the current upgrade pricing.

It’s possible that future releases could be free, or more expensive than 3.0. We’re charging for our work, because there are costs involved in building, marketing, and selling software.

This is just an observation to help a customer.

A lot of folks are in the same boat as you. No matter what the discount, you’re better off paying somebody to convert you to WordPress, I wish that wasn’t the case.

The development community quality is better in the last few years for WordPress. Custom Development is cheaper (depending on what you need), and more resources are available to compare and price accordingly. Compare Devotee to WP’s plugins, just the plugins that cost you money.

We had 13 Expression Engine sites with MLM. Took us 3 months to convert but saved 65% in fees, before Expression Engine 3 pricing was announced. It was a difficult decision, but it was the right one. Even hosting is cheaper without the EE bloat, our RAM requirements are about 25% less. That might have more to do with other factors though.

I’m discouraged by these price increases disguised as features. It looks like version 3 has given me a better looking administration, a responsive theme, the inclusion of the MLM base, and the forum module. I’m surprised MojoMotor wasn’t included too.

The product has no data import plugins that we have seen, and not even any export options, so it appears to not even be on anybody’s radar, which is sad to say, because with some resources, Expression Engine could have been a contender.

@PHPexpertise i don’t opened this thread for some sneaky wordpress-evangelists to convert users away from ee. the reason was quite the opposite: we are all here in these somewhat dated forums because we love expressionengine – and, like everything else that you love, we care for the future of this great cms.

so please let this thread be only for discussions about this new release – and it’s obious no-show outside of the ellislab-websites.

i live in germany and the situation here is quite different compared to the US: NOBODY knows ee and it’s quite a task to get our clients to give it a chance. TYPO3 is the top dog here – an open source cms which is used by agencies and nerds but which has all the magic because it’s a giant toolbox! but it’s also a giant old, clumsy toolbox and therefor clients are open for other cms.

more to the middle and low end is wordpress but within the last two years more and more bigger websites in europe are using this cms so i think they are taking a bigger chunk of the market. but as we all know wordpress is great for standard solutions and out of the box websites which look more or less similar like others. in terms of elegance, clean code and straightness it’s a nightmare and not a very transparent tool.

for all this reasons ee3 could be the perfect man in the middle: powerful enough for clients with big websites and (with the new, simpler and more organized backend) a simpler tool for the small and more enthusiastic websites.

but there’s the catch: those potential customers and future users of ee3 often have no idea about ee being such a good piece of software. and even if they come and visit ellislab.com: as soon as they visit devot-ee.com they are all confused (like myself) because there are virtually no mentions about this new ee3. not a single of the bigger modules is upgraded and even to me ee3 feels like a sportscar without any fuel … because we use modules like channel_images or boldmindeds publisher for every website.

it would be another situation if ellislab would have decided to fold native multilanguage-support and a better image handling into this release. i understand why they didn’t: a healthy developer community is crucial for the success of expressionengine.

but wouldn’t that mean that the developers themself should support ee in the best way they could if on the other hand ellislab let enough room for them to develop core functions?

there was a developer release running for months prior to the public beta test which itselfs runs many weeks. not a single developer website mirrored that ee3 and respective the modules and plugins undergo a major change. and even after the official release you have to search for those informations.

on the expressionengine conference in texas the ceo of ellislab showed an impressive chart which showed that wordpress is by far the cms which is used the most – and that it would take many years to catch up. i think ellislab and the ee developers should realize why people use and love wordpress that much even though it’s well known to be not that secure and being bulky: because it’s dead simple to install themes or plugins from within the backend. and everything seems to belong together even when you visit the website of a wordpress plugin.

as long as expressionengine lacks that kind of deep integration with their developers and vice versa many potential clients will not see the easy and capable solution ee could mean for their projects.