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I’m just wondering if anyone thought the 1.6 upgrade worth it? It looks like more bug fixes to me than anythin else.  I’ve been using EE for a long time now (including Pmachine Pro) and really thought the newest upgrade would included a real ecommerce module (not simple ecommerce) or a separate ecommerce module like the “Multiple Site Manager.”  Don’t get me wrong - Multiple Site Manager is nice, but I truly believe a lot more people would be willing to BUY a separate “Pro Ecommerce Manager” that integrates into EE instead of MSM.

Please don’t flame me for expressing my opinion. I love EE and think its the most powerful PHP CMS system on the market. But in regards to ecommerce, it drives me crazy to constantly read “We don’t give ETAs.” Everyone knows that the other shopping carts on the market is junk and we’re just waiting on ellislabs to release something great!

Just by surfing around the forum you can see ecommerce has to be the most highly demanded item. What serious designer can find work without at least 25% of their clients mentioning ecommerce.

I would very much like to see EE-Commerce, but it’s not my product. I have plenty of uses for MSM. And I’m sure they have their reasons behind the order their releasing modules, and the only complaint I have is that current e-commerce tools are lacking, not anything to do with ellislab.

The survey is somewhat a mute point as MSM has shipped. And, it’s an add-on rather than core.
Just by it’s numbering EE 1-dot-6 implies to me an upgrade, bug fix, etc., nothing real major. I would expect EE-2.0 to be major.
And I’d bet an eCommerce module would require some major changes to the core…could be wrong.
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So, where’s that new, shiny EE-2.0?

Settle down Rick, settle down Paul…just surmising.
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I’m just wondering if anyone thought the 1.6 upgrade worth it?

Heck, yes. Lots of very useful enhancements.

EE 1.6 was definitely worth the upgrade for me. Of course it was a free upgrade as well, but even worth it for a paid upgrade. The bug fixes and the introduction of 3 or 4 fairly small features that will make my life so much easier was more than worth it. I consider MSM a separate product and not really part of the EE 1.6 upgrade.  I’m certain to find a number of uses for MSM, so I think its a good new offering. I’ll also still be using the old subsite functionality as well; both make sense in various context.  As for a Pro E-Commerce, well, isn’t it coming?  It’s just a matter of when. Personally, I don’t need it, so I don’t care that MSM came out before a Pro -eCommerce or not.

I hate to say it, but you almost sound like the EE Team slighted you somehow by tricking you into upgrading to EE 1.6, but then not offering the features you want. But the fact is, you don’t or didn’t have to upgrade to EE 1.6, all the features and functions and fixes contained within it were spelled out and documented, so even if your year of free upgrades had expired, you could make an intelligent decision on whether you thought the upgrade worth it. And you don’t have to purchase the Multi-Site manager (MSM). So I can’t really see why, you’d feel like you were tricked somehow.

Personally, I’ve been waiting for the ability to reuse field groups or assign multiple field groups to a publish form. I’ve wanted that functionality, since year one of EE, and for a brief period of time, even had a hack for it (very limited). I, of course, stopped using it after the first upgrade after installing, it because tracking hacks is no fun. I think that functionality would be of far more benefit to far more developers than a pro e-commerce, but it doesn’t make me think EE 1.6 is any less useful because the functionality isn’t there [hint]Hey, EE-Team, just another vote for this functionality[hint]

I think the Pro-eCommerce will be pretty popular when it comes out, though I’m happy with the simple commerce, and very, Very, VERY happy with EE 1.6.0.  ohhh… and still stoked about EE 2.0

allgood2, I never said i was tricked. In fact, i haven’t even upgraded to 1.6 - I didn’t see a compelling reason to upgrade. And I didn’t purchase the MSM. My point to the post was, I think not creating/releasing a Pro commerce product is frustrating and seems to be a mistake. I think more people are in agreement with me than not.

Otherwise I love EE!

Tricked was probably the wrong word. I was looking for something stronger than bummed, that kind of coincided with slighted. But it’s late in the afternoon, and the thesaurus portion of my brain goes on siesta at about 1pm Central. A hazard of an early work day.

I can’t really say, how many people want a pro commerce module. I know, I’d like one, but its never been a hinderance for my work, so no big deal to me.

Oldhead,

I can certainly understand the point in your thread and I even agree that more people are interested in ecommerce.  I suspect EllisLab will go from a “best kept secret” to a web developer/designer household name when the Pro Commerce module is released.

That being said, I can certainly see why Ellis Lab has to get their ducks in a row and make sure their t’s are crossed and their i’s are dotted.  I suspect a good ecommerce module is larger and more complex than EE and all of it’s modules combined.  Not to mention the documentation and homework Ellis Lab has to do in order to support the product.

My point to the post was, I think not creating/releasing a Pro commerce product is frustrating and seems to be a mistake. I think more people are in agreement with me than not.

I wouldn’t call it a mistake.  I think it’s just a wise business move.  I think it’s been stated that the MSM module was developed during the construction of the new Ellis Lab network sites, so they are just capitalizing on a useful module.

I too, am frustrated as I can be regarding the ecommerce landscape.  It’s not really Ellis Lab’s fault though.  I think it’s unfortunate that it was leaked that this module is being developed because I’m sure it adds to the pressure and burn-out they (paul, derek and gang) must be feeling.  We must be careful:)

This is NOT directed at Oldhead, but just a general comment…  The gripes about Ellis Lab and ecommerce remind me of all the negative reviews going around about the new iPhone.  Like Ellis Lab, Apple finds itself in an interesting situation.  It’s always a “what have you done for me lately” attitude from critics.  Debate-ably, Apple just released the most innovative, earth shattering product in the last fifteen years and all I read is what the iPhone isn’t!  IMHO, who in the hell is qualified to criticize the iPhone?!?!?  I hope this doesn’t get me in trouble, but the same goes for criticizing Ellis Lab.

Oldhead, I share your desperation in finding a decent ecommerce package.

Was 1.6 worth it without ecommerce?

Absolutely!

Is the MSM a wonderful addition to EE?

Yes! As someone who manages around 50 EE licenses for a single company, the MSM offers a considerable savings in terms of license and hosting costs - not to mention the amount of time I save when performing routine tasks—like upgrading from 1.5.2 to 1.6.

Would I have preferred an e-commerce module?

No but I know a lot of people would like to have that in their EE tool box. That said, building a solid e-commerce solution is an incredibly complex project.

Considering the significant amount of time and thought that are being put into EE 2.0, it doesn’t surprise me that the e-commerce module hasn’t been released.

I’d much prefer that Rick and crew spend their time building a solid foundation for the next version of EE than developing an inherently complex e-commerce module that would, in all likelihood, need to be totally rewritten once EE 2.0 came out (which is not a good use of anyone’s time and Paul is stressed enough already).

If that means 1, 2, or 3 more point releases before we get EE 2.0 (and possibly an e-commerce module), that’s fine with me.

was 1.6 worth it?

Yes.

Do I care about e-commerce?

No. Not in any way shape or form.

Although I will say even though I am probably in the minority I would rather the focus went towards the gallery module and making improvements to that… though that is no criticism to the EE staff since I do not have the tech knowledge to say exactly what I want… I just know I want it to be better… that doesn’t mean it can be.

To be honest I hope that EE does not throw all of itself into ee-commerce, and the business $$$$, only to forget the rest of us.

Upgrade worth it? Yes!

MSM is also a great tool….

And yes, MAN DO I WANT THAT E-COMMERCE MODULE! :lol: 😛

Right now, whenever a client or potential client asks me if something can be done, etc…. I always feel pretty confident knowing I have EE, and that because that whatever-it-be feature is usually always there, I don’t have to sweat it, and with the MSM, it’s one of the few last things stroked off my list now. The one thing I do sweat is the e-Commerce though…. once that module is created… I will be pretty much 99% confident that EE can do almost anything I will need it too…. seamlessly, beautifully, and easily. 😊

Good work so far EE Team! 😊

I think the thing you’re missing about the difference between the MSM and a full e-commerce module is this…

The e-commerce module is at least an order of magnitude more complex than the MSM. I need the mythical EE commerce module, preferably with support for Google Checkout rather than Paypal, but I’ve also dug into Zen Cart pretty heavily, and a full commerce module is a massive undertaking.

Also, if the commerce module was promised for 1.6, then your disappointment over its nonappearance would be warranted. But it wasn’t promised, and 1.6 was never hyped as anything more than an incremental upgrade.

If you don’t want the bug fixes or smattering of new features (all of which were extraordinarily welcome, including the MSM, on my end), then don’t upgrade. Hold out for 2.0 which will be, by all reports, the groundbreaking and revolutionary update that you apparently thought 1.6 was going to be.

But that’s just me.

This post must be creating a lot of buzz at the offices of Ellislabs. I received an email today from the CTO asking if I was the same user as another long time user of this site. One of Ellislabs’ Super Admins traced my IP address (WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS I HAVE NO CLUE—are u coming to get me 😉 !). Since I have the same IP address as another user and this account was just created yesterday—the logic is we must be same person. (FYI… i do work for a large and well known media company that has over 7000 people in my one location - this does not include 4 other locations in the same city & zip code).

The reason why I created this account is for the exact reason I received the email from Paul—I don’t want to be flamed or viewed negatively because I don’t agree with everything EE does.

I really like and believe in EE just like everyone else. I have personally recommended EE to countless number of people—web designers, developers, clients, and anyone who will listen. As i said in my original post—EE is the most powerful PHP CMS—period!! I recommend EE because of its ease of use, great functionality, but most importantly because of it community. Without the community, EE would not be as good as it is.

Once again, I hope I haven’t offended anyone - user or staff member. I just think a Pro Commerce module should have been released by now—that’s my opinion. Some people agree. Some don’t.

Anyway - I’ve always heard and believe “the squeaky wheel gets oiled first!”

Oh, stop trying to be so dramatic.  The IP Address for each and every single post is displayed to the Discussion Forum administrators and one of our techs saw that the two IP addresses were the same for this topic and a recent post for that other user.  As I found it curious that a user would create a new account simply to post a poll like this when saying they were a long time user, I sent an email and asked if you were the same person.  No tracing of the IP address and no investigation, just a few emails, sheesh.  Actually after this most recent post of yours, I am kind of disappointed in myself for wasting the fifteen minutes to email you and reply to you here.

For everyone else, yes, we know many people are craving the Commerce module and more than a few of you are rather keen on the reasons why it is not here yet and publicly available.  We, as we always have, develop based on many factors and one cannot simply explain them all to the public.  Glad a few people thought 1.6 was worth their time too.

Whee…

There is not one decent ecommerce solution on the market.  I think complaints regarding the Pro Commerce Module would be better understood IF the market was saturated with good solutions already AND Ellis Lab was behind or something.

They are having to re-invent the wheel, so it’s no small feat.