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I personally have had enough of being treated like a child and being told what i can and cannot do with a prooduct i have paid a chunk for - and hence i voted with my feet and went elsewhere.

Here, here. Enough of the complaining folks…accept it and use Apple products or take your money elsewhere. When people aren’t buying Apple products in droves, Apple will change.

Not sure why the anti-trust stuff is kicking in actually. Does Apple have a monopoly on smart phones?

Well, they certainly have reached a market share where a closer look is warranted, yes.

I personally have had enough of being treated like a child and being told what i can and cannot do with a prooduct i have paid a chunk for - and hence i voted with my feet and went elsewhere.

Here, here. Enough of the complaining folks…accept it and use Apple products or take your money elsewhere. When people aren’t buying Apple products in droves, Apple will change.

The problem is that once a company has critical mass (like Microsoft Windows), it’s very difficult for another company to compete.

Not sure why the anti-trust stuff is kicking in actually. Does Apple have a monopoly on smart phones?

Well, they certainly have reached a market share where a closer look is warranted, yes.

What percent of marketshare to they have? From here: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/iphone-sees-small-u.s.-market-share-gain-from-oct.-to-jan/, RIM has twice the market share for phones. Have they been investigated about how hard it is to develop Blackberry apps? Android is at 7.1% and climbing fast. At what point do they get a look see?

MSFT was looked at because in the PC space they had a 95% marketshare. Apple is at 25%...how is that the same?

Anti-trust is about choice and in the smart phone world, consumers AND developers have many choices (RIM, Palm, Apple, Android, Symbian).

The problem is that once a company has critical mass (like Microsoft Windows), it’s very difficult for another company to compete.

At what how do you define critical mass? RIM has twice the market share of Apple. Android has a 1/3 of Apple and moving up fast. Nokia sells more phones than anyone.

The problem is that once a company has critical mass (like Microsoft Windows), it’s very difficult for another company to compete.

At what how do you define critical mass? RIM has twice the market share of Apple. Android has a 1/3 of Apple and moving up fast. Nokia sells more phones than anyone.

I didn’t say Apple was untouchable…yet.

But it is a big player, like all the names you listed. How could a startup provide the same number of quality applications or addons? How hard would it be for Apple to squash or buy out a smaller competitor?

There is only room for maybe 2 or 3 smart phone operating systems in the marketplace. Hopefully they aren’t all evil. Go Android!

But it is a big player, like all the names you listed. How could a startup provide the same number of quality applications or addons? How hard would it be for Apple to squash or buy out a smaller competitor?

It is like that for many industries, like planes for example…how come we don’t hear things about Boeing and Airbus being the only two plane manufacturers? Or operating systems? Or elevator manufacturers (I’m looking at you evil Otis!!!!).

Where do you draw the line?

Hopefully they aren’t all evil. Go Android!

You are equating Apple’s policies with evil? That’s a pretty big stretch don’t you think?

But it is a big player, like all the names you listed. How could a startup provide the same number of quality applications or addons? How hard would it be for Apple to squash or buy out a smaller competitor?

It is like that for many industries, like planes for example…how come we don’t hear things about Boeing and Airbus being the only two plane manufacturers? Or operating systems? Or elevator manufacturers (I’m looking at you evil Otis!!!!).

Where do you draw the line?

Um, just google “boeing antitrust”.

Hopefully they aren’t all evil. Go Android!

You are equating Apple’s policies with evil? That’s a pretty big stretch don’t you think?

Ha, did I name Apple in that sentence? Google’s motto is “Don’t be evil”.

But yes, I prefer the open source android os. I think Google has a higher moral standing than Apple. They’re an advocate for open source, human rights, and the environment. They offer many free and useful products and services. OTOH, Apple makes great interfaces and lots of money.

Um, just google “boeing antitrust”

My point was that there are only two major plane manufacturers, but you don’t see a large uprising about that.

They offer many free and useful products and services and lots of money.

There, fixed that for ya!

Do you think Ellis Labs would be happy if they were FORCED to support a third party extension that would cause peoples’ websites to load 5 seconds slower?  Much less, why would Ellis Labs choose to support such a module?  And who do you think would take the rap for having a bad product, Ellis Labs or the third party extension developer? Consumers (clients) would definitely find fault with the CMS, not the module.

Apple is in the same situation.

would be happy if they were FORCED to support a third party extension that would cause peoples’ websites to load 5 seconds slower?

And who do you think would take the rap for having a bad product, Ellis Labs or the third party extension developer?

Apple in your avatar shows through here!!!

If your being forced by client demand - then perhaps it is a good idea. A business that ignores their client base does not survive! Eventually this shows through.
How does it slow things down by 5 seconds - loads instantly on my phone!!????
Plus if itis somehting i want - i will wait for it - not like i won’t have to wait for video in other formats.

Certainly agree on support issue - but if it was really that bad - consumers would not be using it. But wait they are! And they want it! hence all the press about it! If Apple did actually offer an alternative that content providers were willing to use this would not be an issue as everyone would already be on it. But they are not - so support what people are using or put up with it.

Either way - people who buy Apple know what their getting into - if they don’t they cannot really blame anyone else. However, as a customer i would certainly be upset being treated like a child, told what content if right for me, and what formats i can and cannot use. Hence why i no longer find Apple Iphones a suitable product when their are now better alternatives out there.

Hence why i no longer find Apple Iphones a suitable product when their are now better alternatives out there.

Found a phone for you! http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/kin-one-and-two-review/1

Hence why i no longer find Apple Iphones a suitable product when their are now better alternatives out there.

Found a phone for you! http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/kin-one-and-two-review/1

Seriously though, that is the ONLY way Apple will change…if enough people tell them, “I will not buy into your ecosystem, and here’s why”.

Competition in the smart phone market is a fabulous thing and I hope Google and HP and RIM all succeed wildly.

@nevsie

The “causing things to slow down by five seconds” statment was arbitrary…it was just to prove the point.

It’s true that business that ignores their client base will not survive, but it’s also true that a business that does not protect their clients interests (which are therefore their interests) will not survive.

So there is a catch 22 here. Apple is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. It’s like a parent telling their teenager that something is not good for them. The teenager will instantly disagree with their parent not because of the issue at hand, but because of the principle that the teenager believes they know what is best for them and they can’t stand their parent telling them what to do. In the long run, the parent is almost always right and the child will thank them later.

Up to this point, I have only been speaking towards the issue of the flash player on the iphone. The 3rd party SDK tools issue is a whole different topic. Apple hasn’t addressed this issue publicly, as far as I’m aware. The only viable reason I see for them closing off 3rd party tools is that they fear there will be security exploits in third party ported api’s that can creep their way into apps. Adobe (name its pdf files) don’t have the best security reputation right now, and I think that is hurting their Flash department.

Those that do run Flash rather poorly and it sucks battery life big time.

So does the the blue-tooth but it is not going away since people want it and find use of it.
All it takes is a giant to speak up ...say Disney or Dreamworks and it stays.
Don’t get wrong…I never saw much use of flash and much prefer w3c 😉...fun and cool effect disappeared about a month after I saw it yrs ago.
I do like seeing creative things done in flash though but could care less of the media used.
So, if flash is gone I will smile and miss it as much as ‘blink’ tag…less machines to update plug-ins…I just don’t buy Apples excuses and wanting to stay in comfort zone of ‘what works now’ and ‘our way is better’. We have MS for that.
Anyhow…