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I’m in and willing to contribute financially to this project, but can’t code php.

I’d like to see everything on the list above, have use for coupons & shipping right now so that would be my priority.

This poll doesn’t really work so well as it only lets you choose one option - we really need a survey with checkboxes.

I have a Transaction Central & an Authorize.net library that can plug in pretty well to existing stuff, very, very lean… I built them basically with plugin architecture in mind.

I also have an Endicia shipping library (for creating autogenerated USPS shipping labels for print / output, purchasing postage, etc)

I’d LOVE to help on this. My COMPANY would love to help on this. This was something we planned on undertaking ourselves after we finished up another internal project. Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help. Money, help, or otherwise.

I think a fair question for Leevi is what this will indeed bring to the game that FoxEE doesn’t (or couldn’t) bring. Perhaps, Leevi simply wants to kick FoxEE’s derriere with something better - nothing wrong with that, per Jerry Seinfeld.

I do think a game-changer could be the provision of a simple (ahem) set of loosely coupled commerce-centric CI classes onto which other EE developers can build, um, modules and extensions. Then, a la EE itself, let these addons be free or compete on price as desired by their makers.

I believe it would be essential for the coder(s) to release the framework into the wild once complete, so it is neither owned nor dependent on any single development shop (e.g., it becomes EE open source). The question then becomes how much refactoring of the framework will be necessary and what/who/when that is handled. Ideally, the answer will be, “if well done from the start, rarely.”

I could see contributing to a fund to underwrite this framework.

Of course, I hope Ellis Labs already plans to offer this kind of commerce solution. They are perfectly positioned to do the heavy lifting and provide the framework support to make commerce addons a low-risk investment for developers.

Which raises this additional question for Leevi, “besides the fact that waiting for the EE commerce module is like waiting for Godot, why not give the guys a little more time to reveal their intentions? You know, like sometime in 2019?” The dig is for fun, but the question is seriously intended.

I don’t know, Leevi. EllisLab’s been working on an e-commerce module for almost five years now. Either it’s almost finished, or such a big job that you’d die in the effort to produce one.

And no, Rick, I haven’t been drinking. I just think it’s worth a warning to Leevi that he could get pantsed halfway through his development effort by the unexpected release of the EllisLab E-Commerce Module for ExpressionEngine 1.x.

Going to have a quick brain storm in: http://eescreencasts.com/ee-chat

Re: ellislab… have they been working on an ecommerce module? I’ve never heard that for a fact, so someone pipe up. Everyone keeps asking about it, I just assumed everyone was doing wishful thinking.

As for what this could bring to the table that FoxEE can’t? No reliance on a monthly subscription product would be good for a start. No dedicated backend specific to products would be great… just the typical “create a blog… figure the rest out” would be good as far as I’m concerned.

Yes, Paul spent quite some time working on it before they focused on EE-2.0 and Paul left. It’s been on the agenda as far back as EE-1.0 I believe.

PXLated is absolutely right. There should be some interesting posts by Paul somewhere deep inside these forums where he mentioned some of the progresses and - more interesting - challenges he found during his work on the project. If I should bring to the point what I remember: It’s a pretty nasty project if you try to evelop an e-commerce module with support for international payment processors, fit all the wishes of the users, address the different tax laws and so on.

If I recall correctly, the e-commerce project was mentioned by Rick for the first time shortly after releasing EE 1.0. I don’t know if it is still on the table for Ellislab, but at some time (Paul still being the CTO), it was mentioned it should be the next big thing after the EE 2.0 release.

Markus

I don’t know, Leevi. EllisLab’s been working on an e-commerce module for almost five years now. Either it’s almost finished, or such a big job that you’d die in the effort to produce one.

And no, Rick, I haven’t been drinking. I just think it’s worth a warning to Leevi that he could get pantsed halfway through his development effort by the unexpected release of the EllisLab E-Commerce Module for ExpressionEngine 1.x.

We’ve already gone on record that there will be no e-commerce module for 1.x and that e-commerce will not be part of the 2.0 release either. So no immediate/near future plans from us.

And yes, we’ve learned tons about ecommerce and its in future plans but don’t let that stop you Leevi.

If there is one thing we know about CMS, blog tools, and commerce applications its that no single solution can meet every need. Anything Leevi (or any capable 3rd party) develops will likely be successful and find a market no matter what we do. Build what you need, make it high quality, and offer real support and you will have a solid opportunity even if there are 1000 other commerce solutions out there (and there are).

We’ve already gone on record that there will be no e-commerce module for 1.x and that e-commerce will not be part of the 2.0 release either.

So no immediate/near future plans from us.

Leslie, I know about the communications policy at EllisLab, but just trying to clarify:

The first part was known to me, but should I read the bold part in a way that the previous statements (rephrased) “The E-Commerce module will be the next big thing we’ll work on after EE 2.0 is released” are postphoned?

Markus

We’ve already gone on record that there will be no e-commerce module for 1.x and that e-commerce will not be part of the 2.0 release either.

So no immediate/near future plans from us.

Leslie, I know about the communications policy at EllisLab, but just trying to clarify:

The first part was known to me, but should I read the bold part in a way that the previous statements (rephrased) “The E-Commerce module will be the next big thing we’ll work on after EE 2.0 is released” are postphoned?

Markus

You should take it at face value and not read anything into it all.

I guess were it me (with the skills) I would implement what I could most readily and get it out there in the wild. You don’t have to have the whole enchilada rolled in there from the get go.
For a small timer like me I’ve always just went with PayPal implementations. I’m not sure Google checkout, or Amazon ever really stole the thunder from PayPal, next up is Authorize.net. The PCI requirements for anybody hosting their own US site are a nightmare.
I think EE-commerce was speculative for EE.2 True now if they bring on a coding genius good with CodeIgniter who can just whip one up, who’s to say never, or even soon.
It’s worth the venture for sure the way it sounds.
Perhaps partner with a learning resource or tutorial whiz to bundle some profits for the team there as well.

“You should take it at face value and not read anything into it all.”

The trouble is…2.0 was supposed to be “fall”. Here it is winter. Nothing you guys say or do has any validity at this point!
Talk is cheap! Get your stuff together and give us reality.

Edit Add: Those that spec EE need to have a road map. Those that take EE seriously need to have rough timelines. We know you want to be foot-loose and fancy free but those days are over! If you want to be taken seriously, your “customers” need to have realistic whens and whats.

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ouch.

“ouch”

So, deserved or not?

I’ve been around a long time (since the beginning) Nand it’s time for the EE crew to get it all together.