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Is anyone else having trouble ftp-ing onto Engine Hosting servers?

October 01, 2008 7:35pm

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  • #1 / Oct 01, 2008 7:35pm

    ramonekalsaw

    377 posts

    Is anyone else having trouble ftp-ing onto Engine Hosting servers?

    As per EH tech support, they did an ‘upgrade’ on their servers this past weekend, and now I can’t use either Fugu or Transmit to log in. I can get on via the EH Control Panel, but for obvious productivity reasons I need to be able to use Fugu/Transmit.

    I was told that EH doesn’t support user-end ftp clients, which I understand, but it’s their update that’s messing me up, not my user-end clients.

    Feels unfair to me.

    Any suggestions for how to get this rectified?

    Thanks.

  • #2 / Oct 01, 2008 7:48pm

    James Springer

    108 posts

    I haven’t had any issues. I’m using Filezilla. It popped a warning that told me that the fingerprint was different - but I okayed it and rolled on in. I wish I could offer you more than that, though.

  • #3 / Oct 01, 2008 8:10pm

    smartpill

    456 posts

    I was having problems too with Transmit. I decided to log in to the Engine Hosting control panel and there were these instructions which worked for me:

    Server News Article
    [Informational - sFTP] Having “permission denied” errors on connecting to ftp01.pmhclients.com
    Posted on: 09/29 at 10:29 AM

    Windows Users:  Most sFTP clients will simply prompt you that the server has a new or changed key and do you want to accept the new key.  Answering yes will allow a proper sFTP connection into the server.

    MacOS X Users:  Some sFTP clients will simply prompt you that the server has a new or changed key and do you want to accept the new key.  If all you get upon login is a “permission denied” error your sFTP application likely uses the OS X central “known_hosts” file.  The instructions below will assist:

    The known_hosts file needs to be deleted so it can regenerate a new file with the proper host key.  To do this you need to:

    1. Open Terminal
    2. Go to your .ssh folder - type cd /Users/yourusername/.ssh
    3. Make sure the known_hosts file is present - type ls -la
    4. Delete the known_hosts file - type rm known_hosts

    Next time you try to connect it may ask you for your authorization to connect.  This is normal and will recreate the known_hosts file.

  • #4 / Oct 01, 2008 8:22pm

    ramonekalsaw

    377 posts

    I did delete the known_hosts file (though I did it via the Finder—User folder > CMD + Shift + G and type “.ssh”. Delete the known hosts file) and a new file was created upon reboot. Still no entry.

    EH tech support said yesterday:

    “Perhaps we have a coincidence in somehting on your network or ISP blocking you at the same time that the key had changed.  Let me see what else I can dig up in the meantime.”

    But I haven’t heard anything back yet.

  • #5 / Oct 01, 2008 9:24pm

    Lisa Wess

    20502 posts

    Are you getting any errors? You just say you can’t FTP but not what is happening.

  • #6 / Oct 01, 2008 10:15pm

    ramonekalsaw

    377 posts

    Are you getting any errors? You just say you can’t FTP but not what is happening.

    Hello Lisa,

    I’m getting:

    “Could not connect to server”
    “Permission denied”

  • #7 / Oct 01, 2008 11:35pm

    Lisa Wess

    20502 posts

    Ah, I had the EH issue mentioned above and the error was quite a bit different, in Transmit at least.  I am sure that EH can help you with this.

  • #8 / Oct 02, 2008 12:20am

    ramonekalsaw

    377 posts

    Ah, I had the EH issue mentioned above and the error was quite a bit different, in Transmit at least.  I am sure that EH can help you with this.

    Laurie just got involved ... so I’m hoping.

  • #9 / Oct 02, 2008 3:13am

    Nevin Lyne

    370 posts

    I did delete the known_hosts file (though I did it via the Finder—User folder > CMD + Shift + G and type “.ssh”. Delete the known hosts file) and a new file was created upon reboot. Still no entry.

    EH tech support said yesterday:

    “Perhaps we have a coincidence in somehting on your network or ISP blocking you at the same time that the key had changed.  Let me see what else I can dig up in the meantime.”

    But I haven’t heard anything back yet.

    Along with the assistance you are getting from our support staff, if you would be so kind as to follow the steps outlined in our news post, rather than deleting the file via the Finder.  While the act of deleting it via the Finder seems to do the same thing, we know for sure that following the simple steps via a Terminal window do indeed work.

    This “issue” is not a unique issue to just us, any ssh or sFTP server that needs to do an OS reinstall, regenerate ssh keys on a periodic basis for security reasons, or as in the case of a few months ago, any place running Debian or Ubuntu Linux would have had to regenerate their ssh and SSL server keys because of a very weak key generation routine in those OSs that was found.

    What added to the issues was that it seems that most OS X sFTP GUI applications do not provide proper error reporting, so claiming “permission denied” rather then, like Filezilla (and most Windows sFTP clients), simply telling you that the server key changed, do you want to accept the new one, and updating from there.  As a long time OS X user I am actually shocked at how few sFTP clients handle this properly, and in fact handle it extremely poorly in my book.

    I do apologize you are having extended issues with this as the steps my staff are stepping you through have universally worked for all other clients that have contacted us directly, or simply followed our server news posting instructions.

    Thank you.

  • #10 / Oct 02, 2008 4:06pm

    ramonekalsaw

    377 posts

    Worked with Laurie at EH a bit more, and was able to get back onto the FTP server via FUGU. I can’t list a clear set of steps that got it working, it was more like ‘kicking the coke machine’ to get the hung up can to wiggle through.

    And, I want to leave the impression that Engine Hosting is great to work with, this current snafu was particularly difficult for me because of a time issue I’m dealing with, but EH’s support system functioned properly. (In contrast to my previous web host who toasted the server they had me on, and then basically stopped responding to my email).

  • #11 / Oct 04, 2008 4:30am

    Brendon Carr

    135 posts

    I had SFTP login trouble today; the steps to delete the known_hosts file in Terminal worked like a charm for me (I use Mac OS X). Thanks!

  • #12 / Oct 04, 2008 7:14pm

    e-man

    1816 posts

    I had a similar issue this week and just deleted the known host file using Transmit FTP (sorry, no fan of the terminal).
    Restarted Transmit, everything’s working fine. Engine’s support people were helpful and fast as always 😊

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