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Same here, I generally have a single stylesheet, that links to the other stylesheets (reset.css, layout.css, typography.css). I just found CSS Edit confused things a little but I probably didn’t get it.

Then again, you have to bear in mind I tried EE a year ago and decided on Wordpress because I didn’t get that either. Perhaps I should stick at things a little more.

Btw, is there anywhere good forums that are not created with tables? Try to build EE forum without tables, there goes year or two (with my skills at least) =)

Cheers:
- Tuittu

I think the key point here is to not be so fanatical about it and realize that tables are ok in certain situations. tables for the main part of a website? not so good. tables for a contact form? OK. Tables for a forum? ok. Basically with a forum it is not so important that a search engine be able to scan all of the content. Same with a contact form. But with the main website? You want to make it as semantically structured and table less as possible.

PhpBB3 is fully ‘non-tabled’ and it’s proper ace for theming!

Darn, you are right! Havent checked that before!

Hi tuittu,
Consider this material as well. It will give you a good base on css.
All the best!

I think the key point here is to not be so fanatical about it and realize that tables are ok in certain situations. tables for the main part of a website? not so good. tables for a contact form? OK.

Hm, very interesting discussion going on here.

The thing is, tables being used for layout of website elements were “OK” back in the 90ies, when there simply was no other possibility to create a layout or grid but tables being “misused” for this are just an ugly hack being dragged from one decade to another.

Tables have a semantic meaning, as every other element in an XHTML code nowadays, and that is: tabular data. Tables should not be used for design or laying out elements, not for forms, not even for forums because today you can all do it with CSS, and that’s what CSS is for, isn’t it?

There are tons of articles about this on the web, especially about the meaning of semantics and why tables are harmful when used as a design element.

For the CSS: For me, it’s mostly one stylesheet for screen media being divided by nice and big, 80 chars. long CSS comments to create the visual feeling of structure in the css file. Remember: as long as you don’t use some kind of a combining script (or other creative ways of achieving this) for “gluing” css files , every css file is a server request.

Hi tuittu,
Consider this material as well. It will give you a good base on css.
All the best!

Thanks for the link. I have this book atm. that i must somehow understand but i’ll bet i get into “css” sooner or later. Dont know from where all this started when it comes to me but that i know already that what a dummy i have been. Trying to make something that can be done so simple ways. Lucky me that its winter coming and the weather is not so attractive so i can stay at home and do something usefull - and thats reading =)

Had to come and reply to myself =) I have aLOT of work ahead. About that server request, same goes with png’s, gif’s and other but dont they go to cache, also CSS? Or does it load itself everytime?

...oh why i woke up this late and started to read now and not 5 years ago? heh!

Cheers:
- Tuittu

Every browser does caching and can be controlled by browsers settings. Nice things about EE is that is has a caching feature as well 😊
Don’t despair, I did tables for yrs while css was just a bit of glitter back in a day….it is steep hill to climb and can be frustrating but the more you do it the easier it gets. Snips and layouts are as easily re-used etc…learning is part of fun so enjoy the discoveries before they turn into pain 😊.
All the best!

I have to throw another vote in for the video series “CSS Web Site Design” by Eric Myer, available on Lynda.com. If you get the package that allows you to download the exercise files, that really helps.

Over the past couple of years I have read numerous css books and found that I’m just one of those folks that had a tough time wrapping my brain around the techniques.

After watching (read… and watching and watching! here), I finally had that light-bulb moment, much like when I finally started “getting” EE.

I need to taste this book first and see if i go mad or come cleaver =) First i read the book without any kind or serious working with the things in it, then i re-read it and work with ideas, then i think i go mad or come cleaver and have time to taste more information available!

Cheers:
- Tuittu