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I know of some web design courses where they teach you dreamweaver among other things, Why they would do this If it is not the proper way? As someone said up there, is very frustrating when you are a beginner and you have to deal with code, code and some more code.

Well, you have to keep in mind that most of us had to, as Ingmar said, walk to school barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways.

And actually, I did use an HTML editor first, then I opened the resulting file in a text editor and discovered that I could make the page look better than the HTML editor did.

So that’s my advice, because that’s the way I did it. So it must be right.  😉

Added: And I should add the HTML editor I used back then, wasn’t even WYSIWYG. Back when the internet was pneumatic…

I know of some web design courses where they teach you dreamweaver among other things, Why they would do this If it is not the proper way?

It doesn’t mean that because someone does something that it is the proper, best or only way of doing something though does it?

They obviously want to make money and I know for a fact that a lot of companies that offer those kinds of courses actually get money from the programme creators and sponsorships and all sorts of things so you can’t really say that can you?

It’s a bit like saying that you were taught to drive in a certain car so everyone should do that 😉

Just my thought processes tripping in again.

Best wishes,

Mark

lets say I coded the site by hand, the site will be a news site, witch means I will write a post everyday, but I dont wanna use a CMS, I wanna do it by hand, then could I use a WYSIWYG editor to add the new content, because adding content everyday by codehand its hell, I say this because now that Im learning html and css by hand and I like it, I dont wanna get involve with and CMS, because it spoils the fun, I dont know if you know what i mean… O_o

I find html editors tedious in the extreme, as now that I know HTML fairly well, and CSS is pretty straight forward, undoing code an HTML editor spews out is more tedious than coding it by hand often.

On the other hand, if you have a good XHTML-compliant WYSIWYG/wiki text editor that puts out clean code that you style using selectors in CSS, then you’re that much closer to markup nirvana.

Oh, geez. I can’t believe I just typed that… :zip:

lets say you cannot use any CMS, and you update your site everydate, are you going to code by hand every post? if you write an article with pictures, links, etc… is easier to use an WYSIWYG editor rather than a plain text ?

I do handcode new content on our departmental site that I run at the moment. The older pages I’ve had to go back and “fix” some of my wild ideas, but I’m pretty good now at doing, mostly because I stick to semantic markup and don’t use DIV’s for paragraph text, for instance.

It’s a matter of taste to allow an editor to generate code; it’s just painful to see the code that most of the editors auto-generate.

this is what i mean http://img.godlike.cl/images/untitlinp.jpg

I want to hand code my layout, ok, but then my content, I want some tool like blogger up there, blogger allow you when you are posting either use html tags or WYSIWYG editor.

All the WYSIWYG editors I know of have an Edit Markup/Code function. Wiki text editors often do as well, although you’re not usually putting HTML into those.

For instance, visit this link (TinyMCE examples) and click on the HTML button:

http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true

i dont get it, whats suppose to do, i add the javascript to my index.html, then what, everyone can use it? how i tell it where a want the post to place? I dont get it.

this is my site so far, cremazo.com, jesus one week ago I didnt know what a html tag was, Ive made this all by hand, using text editor.

as I said before and Ingmar has re-iterated don’t go near Photoshop’s export tool even with a barge pole!!!

When making slices how do you export them then? I’m doing this for the first time and after I get my page fully designed, I’m not sure exactly how I should go about slicing it up and exporting it.

Hiya,

Well actually the way I normally do it is have guides on the page and then select what I want and paste it into a new document and then save from there but what I was actually referring to when I knocked the export tool was more that you shouldn’t rely on the html page generation of Photoshop.

By all means you can use the image slicing parts if you want but just don’t rely on any html that Photoshop chucks out at you. In fact turn that completely off and just use Images Only, then code the site back in by hand.

I reckon that as I am now pretty proficient with Photoshop after using it since the first time it came out that even though there are more automated ways of doing things that doing it my way is still just as quick due to the speed that I have amounted over the years. Also I prefer my way as sometimes it makes me think more and have new ideas, but that’s just me though 😉

By all means use whatever tools you have in your arsenal at your disposal and you feel most comfortable with to export your images / slices but just don’t rely on Photoshop giving you nice neat html code as in most cases there is no possible way of it doing this.

Hope that has helped and not confused even more? 😉

Best wishes,

Mark

Thanks. I wasn’t planning on using the html. I also code by hand. Fortunately I have dual monitors so I can preview on one monitor and code in the other or use my second monitor to find tutorials/code examples.

thanks for the tip.

No problem. Let us know how it all goes.

Best wishes,

Mark

Ive seen a video tutorial where they build a full web page using photoshop. What do you think about it?

Keep in mind that web pages built out of sliced graphics will not be properly found and indexed by google and other search engines. This defeats the purpose for many people, as the idea of the web is having people see the site!

I had one student ( I teach some night school) who complained that google would not find her site no matter what. So I took a look - her site was 100% created in photoshop - looked very nice…and she was a photographer, so into the proper design…..but it did her no good, because no one ever saw it!

Things have changed a lot in the field of web page creation and design. A program like Dreamweaver is for professionals - a lay person would not need a tool like that. Most web sites these days are not “static” anyway, so they are often template based (like EE). In such a case, design is completely different than with static pages.

So, as usual, “it depends”. When I started this stuff back in 1995, there was actually a job description of “webmaster” and one person could handle everything. These days it is very specialized and the many disciplines (db, graphics, css, content, etc.) make it vastly more complicated. Luckily for me, I’m still a little old webmaster and piece stuff together with duct tape and lousy code.