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April 08, 2008 2:16pm

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  • #1 / Apr 08, 2008 2:16pm

    Crimp

    320 posts

    Those perusing the tubes may have come across this:

    http://code.google.com/appengine/

    Python and Django only.

  • #2 / Apr 08, 2008 2:41pm

    xwero

    4145 posts

    It is language neutal so a php version will follow in the future.

  • #3 / Apr 08, 2008 6:40pm

    wiredesignz

    2882 posts

    Oh man, now I have to learn Python. 😊

  • #4 / Apr 08, 2008 6:56pm

    James Pax

    53 posts

    looks nice… I’ll try and learn python too *nonono don’t do it nononono!!*

  • #5 / Apr 08, 2008 7:04pm

    Majd Taby

    637 posts

    python is actually really sweet

  • #6 / Apr 08, 2008 9:00pm

    Sally D

    129 posts

    what is campfire 1 and why do they use the codeigniter logo?

  • #7 / Apr 09, 2008 4:17am

    Crimp

    320 posts

    I think language “neutral” is pushing it when everything, including the runtime, is geared for Python. It may take some time for other languages/frameworks to enter the list. And at a cost in performance? Downside, a potential biggie, must be that all apps are app-engine specific. But what about that hosting?

    Every Google App Engine application can use up to 500MB of persistent storage and enough bandwidth and CPU for 5 million monthly page views.

    And that bottom line is free. Unless you are heavy on video, or run an image gallery of sorts, that goes a long way. I have been running some domains off Google Mail to free up resources for some time. It’s a set it and forget it experience. I hate, hate, hate spam.

    There has also been much heated banter over the years about a Web OS. Practically speaking, is this not the beta beginnings of one?

    EDIT: The good news is that you just set the runtime in the app definition and you are not wrong to assume that the same can eventually be done for PHP. I’ll take these edits right to the top of the thread!!! 😉.

  • #8 / Apr 09, 2008 4:36am

    xwero

    4145 posts

    I remembered reading about it in the post from techcrunch.

    Instead of searching the web google is becoming the mailserver and webhoster of the internet. But i think it makes sense from their point of view. Why having to waste resources using apis if you can plug developers into the framework.

    I wonder how it will affect hosting services? And what the effect will be on php?

    edit : sample app video The attached file is a screenshot while developing the app as you can see they have to define the runtime which makes it possible to change the runtime, or am i wrong?

  • #9 / Apr 09, 2008 4:50am

    Crimp

    320 posts

    Those companies selling expensive, scalable “infrastructure” probably did not show up for work today 😉

    If I understand it correctly, you set the runtime in the app definition. It’s possible that PHP eventually will get its own native runtime that you simply define in the same way. It would be very attractive to run PHP/CI off the Google App Engine stack. Those API libraries would probably be done in days, if not hours, should the opportunity present itself.

  • #10 / Apr 09, 2008 6:07am

    James Pax

    53 posts

    Are we sure that all these goodies aren’t just for people participating in the preview?

    I doubt it would be convenient for google as it will attract loads of people that would not give a cent,

    the only convenience I guess is “the publicity stunt!”...

    edit: google is on the road to total web monopoly lol

  • #11 / Apr 09, 2008 6:43am

    xwero

    4145 posts

    Google Jumps Head First Into Web Services With Google App Engine :

    The service is completely free during the beta period, but there are ceilings on usage. Applications cannot use more than 500 MB of total storage, 200 million megacycles/day CPU time, and 10 GB bandwidth (both ways) per day. We’re told this equates to about 5M pageviews/mo for the typical web app. After the beta period, those ceilings will be removed, but developers will need to pay for any overage. Google has not yet set pricing for the service.

  • #12 / Apr 09, 2008 6:59am

    Crimp

    320 posts

    We don’t know what the future brings. Offers are always unbelieveable until they get to critical mass. But then charging a mere cent extra can make you a millionaire.

    Google Mail for your domain is still free for several GBs. The monster option is a rather reasonable $25 per year.

    People in the blogosphere seem more concerned today about whether someone did or did not rip off a chat app than the earthquake that just shook the web.

    Maybe it’s just from not dealing with the aftershocks yet.

  • #13 / Apr 09, 2008 7:29am

    James Pax

    53 posts

    We don’t know what the future brings.

    I hope the web earthquakes stay 4 ever…

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