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I’m starting to notice a trend where this board is starting to get an atmosphere that isn’t exactly welcoming to new members. This forum is for the discussion of CodeIgniter, which means people new to CI are going to come and as questions that probably have been asked before. The larger CI grows, the more times you’re going to see the same question asked, it’s a fact of life.

Making fun of people for asking a question that’s available via the search function isn’t exactly professional. One person mentioning that the topic has been discussed and the member should use the search function is enough.

A post dripping with sarcasm such as

Tominku,
I’m glad you brought this rarely discussed topic to light for conversation. I’m sure since it’s not been discussed to death on these forums as well as the forums of just about every framework out there and there aren’t about 100 independent evaluations and comparisons easily accessed through a simple google search, people will jump at the chance to fill this thread with fresh, enlightened, and well thought out responses.
I’m also positive that since this is a CodeIgniter forum people will go out of their way to steer you in the direction of the best solution even if that means steering you away from CodeIgniter because that happens all the time.

Good Luck!

doesn’t exactly welcome some one to CI. Nor does the fact that the thread is one of the more active threads last night, and it’s just people picking on the original poster.

http://ellislab.com/forums/viewthread/75721/ is another example, 3 pages picking on the guy. I’m the mystery person who sent the code sample, via PM to wired, so I won’t say I’m completely innocent. However I at least kept it out of the publically viewable areas of the forum.

I think people should stop and think before they post. If your post doesn’t contribute anything substantial, and only serves to beat a dead horse, ridicule someone, or is just generally negative in nature, don’t post. Move on. Let threads die so the more substantial ones continue.

HELLO?! no speak english good can have make blog with CodeIgniter how?

sorry, ontopic: forums need their occasionaly witty/sarcastic/plain old mean reply, there’s plenty of good and helpful information on this forum for people that show they’ve actually done some research

Sorry, but about this one: http://ellislab.com/forums/viewthread/75721/
The guy was there so stupidly claiming that he mades the job (that he was stealing to other’s work) witch reaction should he wait, can you tell?

I am not agree with you Jbowman, when I am new to one place, I make myself small and look around first, then try to find by myself, if I don’t find I ask a question, but the people are lazy and don’t want loose their time doing a 5 second search before asking.

The way how we welcome people here is also depending on how how they are introducing themselves.

You’re probably right jbowman, I’m guilty of making funny at those newbie posts also.

But there is some forum ettiquette that even newbies need to learn when joining a community like this so it goes both ways.

Then there are things such as claiming ownership of other peoples work, and expecting us to be too dim to see through it, well that’s just downright rude.

I think the answer here is that you get what you give.

I search the forums for my questions as well. However, one person pointing that out to someone is enough. 5 or 6 people doing and the thread going to multiple pages is just going to get CI the reputation of having an aggressive user community. We are a support resource.

You are right. I have to admit i’m not squeaky clean either but sometimes it’s too tempting not to answer.

There are a lot of code questions that come back and i can understand that more than more general questions like comparing frameworks, which javascript library to use. I you don’t search with the right keywords you can miss posts with the code you are looking for. There are many non native English speakers, me included, on the forum so what can be obvious to native English can be a puzzle for others.

I have to agree the atmosphere on the forum is getting a bit unwelcome the last few days.

If someone opens a topic critical of CI as their first post they better have good reason.

It’s quite obvious that we are biased and I don’t think we have anything to apologise for.

Lynch them all, I say :lol:

Point taken, although whenever I’m sarcastic, its light-hearted and I usually apologise for it in the same post. Which I suppose begs the question, “why bother?”

What if I just open myself up to bear the brunt of all mickey-taking, thus making it softer on newer posters?

C’mon folks, mark my username and feel free to lay into me next time I post, I can take it.

Woohoo :lol:

Actually it wouldn’t be the same, we know you too well, and you won’t run away after. 😉

Funny… I’ve thought about posting a state of the union post like yours jbowman but more to the effect of how can we weed out the kind of questions that lead to those kind of responses. It’s sort of a garbage in garbage out system.

My post was the one you cited above as ‘dripping with sarcasm’ and I’m not going to apologize for it. I don’t usually resort to that kind of thing but lately I’ve seen so many absolutely useless questions that do nothing to add to the community that I can’t help but treat them as a dumping ground.

If people can’t be bothered to a)do a bit of research b)formulate a question in a manner that doesn’t cause others to guess at what’s being asked and c)understand that ‘how can I make an e-commerce site in CodeIgniter please’ is not a valid question then they deserve a response that’s equally as inane.

In short - lighten up. It’s the intelligent questions and discussions that evolve from them that make the community great (like the one we had the other day about sessions). Not the questions from people that don’t realize that it’s probably a good idea to learn a bit of PHP and understand what an MVC framework actually is before they waste peoples time with ill-conceived questions.

You spend more time replying to the useless thread than you do by reading it in the first place, just a thought.

I’m relatively new to the CI arena and I have to say that I appreciate your opinion jbowman.

I would respond with two things:

1. The forums are the ultimate reason I chose CI over any other framework. There is a community feel here. Part of that community feel includes a “don’t ask a question that you obviously didn’t do a search for already.” I always applaud those who answer the same questions about .htaccess files. I swear there are like 5 a day!

2. It should be noted that in many other forums, a post such as yours (jbowman) would have brought about a bunch of flaming (i.e. Quit whining you ... etc) and it’s a testament to the type of people walking these halls that you are receiving intelligent responses to your post.

Thanks for speaking up.. and even though you may have seen a few bad posts in the past few days, there have been plenty more good ones.

It’s all good. 😉

Haha, that thread was fun.  Golam, I salute you!  Let me know when “Tricking system” hits 1.0 and hopefully it will arrive in time for Halloween.

He happened to create a perfect storm of great comedy and I can’t pass up a chance like that.

How about we make a deal?  You get your etiquette in the coding forums but the jobs forum is fair game.  What do you think?

I agree with a lot of the things said here, on both sides of the fence.

On one hand, this is the first forum that I’ve actually felt a part of, even if it’s a small part.  I’ve always valued the friendly community here and the willingness to accept the newcomers.

On the other hand, we *are* getting a lot of .... well, stupid messages being posted by people who haven’t taken any time whatsoever to do any research or people who don’t necessarily make it clear as to exactly what they are asking.  Believe me, I understand that we were “all newbies” at one time, and that’s perfectly fine - but come on!  Do a little bit of research!  Use the search box!  Use Google!  BUT… first and foremost - explain the problem or question thoroughly!  Don’t simply say “it doesn’t work” or ask “is CI good for…” when CI can essentially do anything you need it to do next to making your morning toast (I’m working on that one).

I almost wonder if we should have a forum designated for “newbies”, people with less than so many posts, etc. that we are *100% required* to be polite to.  This would help to keep the fluff out of the main forums and help the newbies at the same time.  Not so sure if this is a good idea, but thought I would throw it out there.

Maybe this is unrelated, but I wanted to voice my enthusiasm for CI forums and the Dereks who keep the censorship to a minimum.

Recently, I posted a solution to a problem on another forum. It was valuable information in my opinion, because I had a hard time finding a solution. Information was scarce. I included a link to a resource which turned out to be against the forum policy for newbies like me. So the forum moderator not only deleted the link, but deleted any reference to resource I used and closed the thread.