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I am inferior that is I am dependent upon My superiors that is the people who made EE 2.0 and codeigniter 2.0

So my tutorial’s will be inferior to theres and won’t be as good that is just what I feel, but I am thinking of making a power point jounal of the things I learn and put them on the web for free

raymondm, that would be awesome.  Every additional resource is helpful, thanks.

I do intend on doing a few more video tutorials for what its worth, and I’d be happy to take topic suggestions if you have any.

Derek do you know what I would like a ustreamtv feed in the codeigniter lab so we can watch you build EE 2.0 and hear you’re thoughts as you type away

Personally its the idea that’s worth the money, not the implementation, an implementation can be copied very fast but if someone has the idea protected then its worth more.

My thoughts on this have been explained much better by Paul Graham of Ycombinator.

An idea for a startup, however, is only a beginning. A lot of would-be startup founders think the key to the whole process is the initial idea, and from that point all you have to do is execute. Venture capitalists know better. If you go to VC firms with a brilliant idea that you’ll tell them about if they sign a nondisclosure agreement, most will tell you to get lost. That shows how much a mere idea is worth. The market price is less than the inconvenience of signing an NDA.

You say that the idea is more valuable because the implementation can be copied but the idea can be copied as well. 

A PHP CMS is an easy thing to do but building an Ellislab is very hard.  Ellislab certainly was not first.  They may not even have the best CMS.  They didn’t just build a solid CMS, they built a solid company. 

Yahoo and a bunch of other companies already had a search engine when Google appeared on the scene.  And do you think that Google would have had other founders if lots of other people knew about the plans?  Part of the reason Google got so big was because nobody took them or search seriously.

Is Youtube really a unique idea?  Putting video on the internet?  Again, do you think history would be any different if they were to mouth off to everyone about their idea to do video on the internet?

There are so many ideas and things to do out there that the idea doesn’t matter.  You have an unlimited bin of ideas you can grab to become successful.  Nobody cares about your idea because ideas are so plentiful.  People only care about your idea when you actually make it work, then people say “why didn’t I think of that.”

I have lots of ideas.  If you steal my idea and make it work better than I can then I will just start working on the next idea in line.

Wow, I totally did not expect to write something this long.  I must be procrastinating.  😉

Your points may be true but lets look at this,

Say Google had a working search engine, it was good it used pageranking, it worked very well. But lets say Yahoo also knew how the google boys had done it, they found they could copy the idea with no penalties. Since they had more money they pushed out a working product faster and got more public eye. Do you think we would know who google where if this had happened, course not they would have been swept aside.

I also don’t think looking at VC firms is a very good backing to your argument. VC firms want to make big money fast and easy. The reason they don’t back an idea before an implementation is the risk. Why risk it if they don’t have to? They can make millions off other companies, heck half the time they just ride the company stock wave. If it goes bust due to their greed who cares as long as we made some cash. Also why would they pour millions into an implementation which someone can ripe off. If its a good idea (and yes have an example to show) they want their money to be protected by a patent. Otherwise its a risk and they won’t take it.

I don’t think either of us will agree in the end, both have reasons and sources why not. In fact I can’t believe a little talk about tutorials for EE turned into talk about Venture Capitalist firms. Heck though I wouldn’t turn down owning one if I could, horrible people I think, but god they make a lot of money.

Derek

your a teacher would it not be great to teach a live class once a week about ee and codeigniter integrations

http://ustream.tv lets you do just that and then we can all chat along while you enlighten us with you profound wisdom’s

I know I will tune into your site at 8 pm once a week to hear you teach us about everything and anything codeingiter and Expression engine

Yes, I think its a good idea.  The problem here though, is time.  Building screencasts takes a surprisingly long time (much longer then just recording it), and I’ve worked 12-14 hour days 5 of the last 7 days, and my schedule before that was similar… and after this will probably remain like that.

There are a few CI members who have my IM, and can vouch that I was online at 2:30am.  I logged back in today at 7am.  Just like everyone else, I’m working really hard to get the next CI and EE2 out the door.  I want to make more screencasts, but to commit to 1 a week, especially at a set time… I can’t even find time to blog once a week lately. 😉

raymondm, that would be awesome.  Every additional resource is helpful, thanks.

I do intend on doing a few more video tutorials for what its worth, and I’d be happy to take topic suggestions if you have any.

Please, PLEASE, go over user authentication. User registration and login with session info stored in the database. This is the one thing I can’t wrap my head around in CI.

Derek

If Do a screencast be sure to put a paypal donate link on the bottom of the page so we can show you how must we would appreciate you’re time and effort

who knows maybe enough people would donate enough money so you can by a new Camaro they are hot this year a new 2008 camaro silver with tinted windows would only cost 30 grand

Yes, I think its a good idea.  The problem here though, is time.  Building screencasts takes a surprisingly long time (much longer then just recording it), and I’ve worked 12-14 hour days 5 of the last 7 days, and my schedule before that was similar… and after this will probably remain like that.

There are a few CI members who have my IM, and can vouch that I was online at 2:30am.  I logged back in today at 7am.  Just like everyone else, I’m working really hard to get the next CI and EE2 out the door.  I want to make more screencasts, but to commit to 1 a week, especially at a set time… I can’t even find time to blog once a week lately. 😉

That really sucks.  How can you work so much?  On a 14 hour day you can sleep, eat and work.  And can you really be productive for 14 straight hours for 5 straight days?  Not my idea of fun.  I am all about the 4 hour work week.  😉 

I suppose it is all perspective though because I can go that long working on my own stuff or when I am dead set on figuring out how to do something new.  I still can’t be productive for 14 straight hours though.

The worst thing about working so many hours is that you don’t have that time of discovery.  Sure, you learn new things on the job but I am talking about that time where you can almost aimlessly explore whatever it is that you want to learn.  And it is not all aimless, I learn more in my off-time screwing around than I do on client projects.  On paid projects I can sharpen my skills and apply them to situations I would not otherwise be in, but doing something like learning a new language (don’t limit yourself to just PHP!) has to be done in the off-time.

Geez, what a bunch of slave drivers.

Oh, and I’m afraid to even ask about Victory Over Japan Day.

He has got to work that Hard or else Rick will outSource his job to india

They already outsourced the job to Canada and work him to death.  What benefits do you get by outsourcing to India?  I hear Indian developers are all locked up these days, but Canadians are a dime a dozen.

if you can get 4 programmers for the price of one U.s programmer any CEO in there right mind will seize the opportunity to reduce there bottom line and increase there bonus

But I hope rick is different and is not a greedy scumbag pardon my french cause with this company there are millions of ways to make money first

the Ellislab brand hey make tee shirts and sell them
then Internet tv is going to take off in the new future

geeks will love to watch Internet tv about web developing if rick wants to start his own tv network and talk tech he can start his own tube service and feature programmers on his tv show like his own cable network there are endless possibilities he can do so he don’t need to outsource to save money he needs to be more creative in how he markets his product

Word.

I want my Ellislab T.V. money for nothin and chicks for free.