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This page:
http://www.dragonavenue.com/assdf
shows the entire 404 template page as expected.  No style, no header, footer, etc.  Just a blank page with a some text.

However a post page 404 looks like this:
http://www.dragonavenue.com/dnd/post/pagethatdoesntexist

It is clear to me that the redirect code only changes that template, not really redirecting the browser to the template page alone.  I am confident that this is because the redirect code is within the “post_container” page which is embedded in the “post” page. 

To be clear: the template called “post” has the post_container embedded within it.
(I know that seems backwards - I’ll fire the guy who came up with that naming convention later)

Alright, you hold on. I’m going to nuke my 404 page just for you.

Try my links again, Jim.  You’ll see that it is not just *changing* the template. It is actually redirecting to the 404 template.

I’m not really sure what is going on with your site or why you’re seeing that behavior, for it is simply not how it works. =)  Are you up for some more testing?

If so, create a new, blank template. Put only this in it:

{exp:weblog:entries weblog="default_site" limit="10" require_entry="yes"}
{title}

{if no_results}
{redirect="404"}
{/if}
{/exp:weblog:entries}

Give me a link to that template, please?  Make sure you replace the shortname with the real shortname.

Running out to town, but I will do this when I return later tonight!  Thanks for the help!

Also, if you like access to the admin, sign up and shoot me an email and I’ll make you an admin so you can look for yourself.

Of course you know I’m already a fan and follower of your site, Jim? =)

But we’re not at the login stage yet, set up that template and let’s see what that gives us. =)

wiki entry may help as well. I started on this several years ago and with Derek’s help got it down ok. All url’s that are 404 return a 404 not found status as well.

OK, I created the template with *exactly* the code you provided.  If I was supposed to change the weblog to one that matches my site, let me know.

Here’s the URL:
http://www.dragonavenue.com/dnd/lisatest

OK- what I’m seeing is that any 404- be it a missing template group or a ‘fail’ on required entry results in the 404 page w/no styling.  Correct?

If you add the embeds back to style the 404- then… what happens?

(I think I’m vaguely confused as to what’s going on.)

Robin, the curious issue is that on Jim’s site, his main template doesn’t appear to be redirecting to the 404 template,but is outputting the 404 information onto the normal template.  I can’t replicate it.

Jim, please do update weblog= to point to an existing weblog, preferably the one for the front page of your site so I have some url_titles to work with. =)

I still feel like we’re not on the same page (no pun intended).  My single entry page is composed of several templates as described below.

The main template (called “post”) has the HTML headers, and embeds these three other templates:

* pagetop - Includes the header banner, menu, and login form
* post_container - includes the single entry post weblog entries, comment form, etc.  This is also where I put the 404 code Lisa advised me about. (require entry, etc)
* footer - the blue bar at the bottom with the copyright yada yada

The template for the 404 has no EE code in it at the moment and is a single line of text.  What appears to be happening (and seems logical to me - although I’d like different behavior), is that only the post_container appears to be changed when the 404 occurs, and the pagetop and footer are still rendered.

Lisa, I edited the lisatest template to point to my main weblog as requested.

The template for the 404 has no EE code in it at the moment and is a single line of text.  What appears to be happening (and seems logical to me - although I’d like different behavior), is that only the post_container appears to be changed when the 404 occurs, and the pagetop and footer are still rendered.

The issue is that this isn’t how ExpressionEngine 404s work.  If your no_results is met, it should *redirect* you to a 404 page, which is what it does on my installation.  Remember, ExpressionEngine doesn’t know what goes where in your template - there’s no way for it to do a replacement in the way you describe.

Ok - so this works as expected:

http://www.dragonavenue.com/dnd/lisatest/dungeon_master_screen_of_ultimate_doom/

and this brings up a 404 message:

http://www.dragonavenue.com/dnd/lisatest/dkasjfadsf

However, your belief is it’s changing the actual template rather than redirect.  So, on lisatest, add something like this, outside of the weblog entries tag:

This is the single-entry page

what we should see now is that the second link with garbage in the third segment should *not* include the added text, but that the first link with a real url title will include the added text.

Make sense?

Makes sense, and it does indeed behave as you predicted.  So why does the real post template have different behavior?

This link shows the weird behavior
http://www.dragonavenue.com/dnd/post/a123123

Your actual post template is simple, but you’ve got a few embeds.  Unfortunately, the next job is to isolate what is going on, which means reducing that template until you have the bare minimum that replicates this behavior.

You don’t want to disturb your main page, so what I would recommend doing is copy your entire post template into lisatest or similar, then take out everything except the weblog entries tag.  Put that directly in the template and see if things behave, then move it into the embed and see if that works.  Slowly add things back until you find out what the culprit is.

Unfortunately tedious work, but necessary to figure out what is going on here.

Roger Wilco.  Sounds like a good plan.  I’ll do it after I shower and catch up on some Lost.