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I’m getting slightly annoyed at how many people, who have no clue using PHP, let alone OOP or MVC, keep asking for assistance with issues that are unrelated to the CodeIgniter framework.

My wish is that they would all go buy a book or do some research on their own, instead of playing on the good nature of our members by using the CI forums as a free help desk for the most basic PHP coding problems.

Personally I’m willing to help anyone learn about CodeIgniter where I can, but I draw the line at helping people learn PHP itself or even the basic concepts of coding.

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Please add your comments as appropriate, Thank you for your time. 😛

I understand your concerns, but want to add that:

It depends on the willingness of other people whether a simple or unrelated question gets an answer. You don’t have to reply. If there are no strict forum rules that forbid those questions, you can expect to get a lot of them.

Also, CI might be the first MVC project for someone. The user guide gives some information on the topic, but clearly does not tell you everything. Then again, the wiki has a nice article on MVC.

Last point: If there were too active moderators here, closing topics and the like, I’m sure many people would lose there interest in the forums and thus in CI. You don’t want that. 😊

A seperate section in the forum about installation issues and basic PHP questions comes to mind…

Hi,

I have to admit, that I also posted questions that maybe seemed to be “stupid” to people who do professional php developement for a long time.

But…
I took a look at various frameworks and a really big advantage of CI is the very good user guide, which takes a This framework is beginner-friendly, which should not be taken as a curse, but as a proof of quality.

In fact, there are also a lot of posts, that don’t treat trivial php matters, but questions about project management, workflow and general structure of php projects, which can be very interesting to everybody.

There are some of us who have recognised the need for a good Code Igniter Repository site. As an offshoot of that we decided it might be better to make the site a general CI community site. Some of the things I want to see on this site are:
1. Tutorials
2. FAQs
3. Links to related resources including PHP and MVC tutorials
All of these things should help newbies when they first come to CI

I think there should be somewhere for complete newbies to be directed to some resources that can help them learn PHP before they try to get too far into CI
And also maybe some advice on how to find the answers to some of the questions themselves
I guess thats partially what the list of resources is for, but maybe with more direction
i.e. having problems with rewrite rules or removing index.php from your url? read the following resources, with links to tutorials and to the CI and APACHE manuals in the relevant sections etc

P.S. this is all still in the planning stages, and yes we have the wiki but it is hard to find the information in the wiki if it is even there

Maybe the addition of a Beginners category would suffice, where no question is too ‘fundamental’?

Or perhaps if it annoys to that extent, just don’t answer the question in question.

Question in question, never said that before. 💋

A seperate section in the forum about installation issues and basic PHP questions comes to mind…

I would like if have a section in the forum exclusively for threads related to Javascript, CSS, XML and SQL. These things are out of the scope of the actual forums, but they are necessary to everyone here.

<rant>

I’m getting slightly annoyed at how many people, who have no clue using PHP, let alone OOP or MVC, keep asking for assistance with issues that are unrelated to the CodeIgniter framework.

My wish is that they would all go buy a book or do some research on their own, instead of playing on the good nature of our members by using the CI forums as a free help desk for the most basic PHP coding problems.

Personally I’m willing to help anyone learn about CodeIgniter where I can, but I draw the line at helping people learn PHP itself or even the basic concepts of coding.

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Please add your comments as appropriate, Thank you for your time. 😛

While I agree with you in a way, I also think it’s important that the community be a positive place for people to count on no matter what.  I too get frustrated when questions are asked without any prior work toward an answer, but the overall positive attitudes here is what has kept me around and I’m pretty sure it’s what has kept a few others around as well.  I’d hate to see the community develop the ‘elitist’ attitude.

<rant>

I’m getting slightly annoyed at how many people, who have no clue using PHP, let alone OOP or MVC, keep asking for assistance with issues that are unrelated to the CodeIgniter framework.

My wish is that they would all go buy a book or do some research on their own, instead of playing on the good nature of our members by using the CI forums as a free help desk for the most basic PHP coding problems.

Personally I’m willing to help anyone learn about CodeIgniter where I can, but I draw the line at helping people learn PHP itself or even the basic concepts of coding.

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Please add your comments as appropriate, Thank you for your time. 😛

Then don’t reply or even bother to read the question (if posted by a newbie).

A ‘basic PHP/OOP/MVC’ section would help though.

What do you mean by don’t read the question!? How the on earth can you tell what the content is if you don’t read the post. Your logic is a bit flawed there codex 😛

@D13: I agree with you about the community spirit. It would be great if newbies would do more self help when looking for info about basic stuff.

What do you mean by don’t read the question!? How the on earth can you tell what the content is if you don’t read the post. I hope you don’t code with that kind of logic dude 😛

@D13: I agree with you about the community spirit. Just wish newbies would do more self help about basic stuff.

No one cares about ‘your wish’.

I think is quite common for community forums like CI to ask visitors to search for answers before posting, without appearing to have an elitist attitude.

I think is quite common for community forums like CI to ask visitors to search for answers before posting, without appearing to have an elitist attitude.

I can only speak for myself, but I ALWAYS search the forum (or the web) before asking a question. If there’s one thing I hate it’s ‘if you had searched you would have found the answer here’ (here=link to topic). But sometimes it’s just easier to understand if someone explains stuff. Is that so strange?

No one cares about ‘your wish’.

😊

I think we have flames here… But fueled by what?

What about a new forum exclusively for Javascript, CSS, XML, SQL and basic PHP issues?

I don’t really think it’s much of a problem that these answers get asked, but more of how they’re asked.  I totally agree that posts like “how get field value plz?” don’t belong here.  However, I’ll gladly help anyone who posts a code example that shows me that they at least tried to find an answer.

Personally, I’m a believer of learning a language before picking up a framework, so I would oppose a basic php forum section.  I made that mistake when I started learning rails - I knew python and a tiny bit of ruby.  I dropped rails after two weeks and spent some time getting a hang of ruby.  After that it all made sense - and I could actually write some functional code.  There are plenty of forums out there that deal with php, as well as an excellent API - once you learn to use it.

The one thing we shouldn’t forget is that everyone draws a blank once in a while.  We all ask the occasional stupid question, or give a dumb answer (where’s that head-into-brick-wall smiley?).  The tolerance for those, is what sets this community apart from so many others.