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anyone have any experience on high traffic websites? on my I have more than 20000 unique visitors/day and almost 10.000.000hits/day .... I am considering to get rid of joomla because of it’s size and sluggish performane and too big load on server and database ...  and i am considering EE ... but I need good advice, not to port whole site to EE and then find out I cannot do half things as i can in Joomla ... because Joomla is pretty simple and modifications are also simple ... for example, in EE i should change admin side and add few fields in it ...

portal is about cars ... 2 journalists are writing more than 25 news per day ...
currently on shared, because had problems with former ISP and their servers so we lost everything (data, mails ... ), now on other hosting company, they are making us new dedicated server that will be finished tommorow probably,

Dual Opteron 2212
2 GB RAM ECC Registered
4 x 500 GB HDD SATA RAID

Content=news portal ....

Zdravo.

I’m sorry, I don’t see a question anywhere in there;
you started out by mentioning high traffic sites, then moved on to talk about using joomla.

Try to elaborate what you need advice on. Generally, the more specific you are the better response you’ll get.

Ps_ 10 million hits / 20 thousand visitors = 500 hits per visitor ?

i was wondering how is it difficult to build such hugh traffic news portal in EE ... I have it in joomla and it is awful ...

That’s still a very generic question, and practically impossible to answer in detail without knowing more about your requirements and your skillset.

Please describe the site you have now, with all it’s features and functionality,
and I can tell you if that is easy to replicate in EE or not.

top news (selection of top 5 news), latest news (25), most read news, everything ordered by date and time of publishing, 17 categories, each category has top news and 25 latest news ...
forum, comments, and few banners ...
you can see it on http://www.moto.hr
current design is not good ... so don’t pay attention on it ...
and what is most important, I need 2 headlines for each article, gallery for each article, multiple image upload for each article while administering ....
mostly, taht is that ...

Perhaps one of the moderators should merge this thread with the other one that you started as well?

Best wishes,

Mark

i agree ... obviously I started thread at first in wrong part of forum ...

it is not loading time I am worried about ... it is performance ... site is very very ... how to say it ... if my site is a normal horse ... i’d like a pegasus 😊
especially with loading on user’s client ...

problem is mostly in entering erticles, content management, and BIG problem is imatge management, because if you have for example 10000 articled entered, for each article at least 3 pictures, that is 3 pictures per article ... and joomla has ONE combobox for all fo them ... to populate in ... and canot change that ...

and it is a problem in administration ... not frontend ...

nope ... 😉
for me problem is that I have to customize joomla too much ... after 3 months of using joomla for this site ... it’s loading time slowed 4 times, we cannot keep track of content any more ... and I am spending more time hacking it then to write whole new CMS ...
is EE same complicated to do changes in admin and frontend? because I am losing my mind ... everyday I am losing 4-5 hours on this site ... without even touching design ... banner management is lousy ... publishing is even worse ... entering by multiple users also ... arghhhhh ....

i agree ... obviously I started thread at first in wrong part of forum ...

Sorry didn’t mean to cause a problem just thought that it would help if the two were merged as you will probably get more responses that way.

Do you have a link at all that we can all see the site on?

Best wishes,

Mark

http://www.moto.hr

I had a client with similar traffic to yours who used EE successfully.

EE is like any other CMS - it just depends on how many queries you are sending, how heavy the page weight is and whether the sever is well optimised.

My client found that performance was not an issue once caching / template optimisation had been completed. He upgraded the server to have more RAM, and we assessed page weight. On query intensive pages load times were under a second.

It is a little difficult to definitively say that EE will be better than Joomla, but in my experience EE can be optimised for speed on high volume sites. I’ve written a series of articles on optimising EE for Media Temple’s (dv) server which may help you see what you can do. You’ll see that with EE performance comes down to optimised templates, a well configured server and light XHTML/CSS/Javascript.

Really two things at issue- can EE handle the traffic given the site’s needs.  Short answer- yes.  Long answer- you’ll need enough server resources, a properly tuned server- and good EE practices on the layout/structure end of things.  Basically- what Shape Shed said.

Second thing- is EE better than your current CMS for handling the site requirements.  I haven’t used Joomla, so can’t directly compare.  However, having as many custom fields as you need isn’t a problem.  I might consider using relationships or the gallery to handle them- possibly.  But the custom field approach is probably the simplest way, and may well be the leanest way as well.  So I’d go with that unless there are additional requirements I’m not spotting.

Have you given one of the trial options a test run yet?  I’d strongly suggest doing so- it will help you make a final decision on how well EE will serve your needs on this particular site.

Only thing I can say is you really need more ram.  A four core web server with only 2 gigs of ram, likely to handle you database as well?  No way near enough ram.  Busy site, both web and database on same server (as it sounds like to me from your first post) you will probably want a minimum of 4 gigs, and I do mean minimum.  MySQL is going to need enough ram for proper caching and buffer sizes to handle increasing traffic, and you are going to need enough ram to allow enough apache processes to be running to handle your sites requests as well.

About all of the advice I can provide though.  The rest of the server, OS, apache/mysql tuning advice is going to really have to come from your server provider if they are providing you with managed services, if this is a self-managed dedicated server, you will likely want to find someone that knows how to tuning apache and mysql along with OS level changes for busy and growing web sites.  There is a lot more involved then simply the software you throw on top of the server to manage your site and content with.