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safari is available for windows anyway now, but actually we do have one ibook in the business so not a problem, just not in use for everyday design tasks.

it is also very insulting to professionals who do use PC’s (many of whom are presumably buying your product).. the inference is we are somehow a lesser species or less professional.. anyway enough said, i am well used to mac bigots. Is this an official EE view by the way?

Step back and calm down, please.  Everyone here, including you, is merely expressing an opinion.  Just because something is an “obvious” choice does not make it exclusively the right one for each individual, nor make choosing something else “wrong”.  It just makes it different, and less obvious.  A sale on items where there’s a buy 1 get 2 free is an obvious choice, but if the product that you like best is not on that special, it’s still fine to buy the one you want and forego the special offer.

“Just because something is an “obvious” choice does not make it exclusively the right one for each individual”

Was that not what i saying all along, before PC’s based professionals were slated for not being able to do their job properly (only IE.. as if..) ?

Anyway no wish to get embroiled in an argument here so will bow out gracefully with my PC and go my own way.

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Good luck with your choice Efraín, with all the help and advice we’ve given you!  😉

it is also very insulting to professionals who do use PC’s (many of whom are presumably buying your product).. the inference is we are somehow a lesser species or less professional

Oh, please. I am on a PC as well, used to run Windows, have now made do with Ubuntu exclusively for a couple of weeks (no dual boot, no siree), and , for the first time, am considerung to buy a Macbook.

Now, seriously, insulted? Leslie didn’t insult anyone.

Is this an official EE view by the way?

This is called “The Lounge” for a reason.  This is for individuals to talk about all manner of topics, so I personally feel anything said in here is the opinion of the individual that said it.

As a side note, no, not all “Mac Lovers” feel its perfect for all tasks.  If I felt that way all of our web serving would be done on Xserves and Xserve RAIDs.  My reasons for feeling it’s not currently good solution at all for large scale web hosting operations is too long for this thread 😉  But again this is just my personal opinion… Welcome to The Lounge.

69-Design, I meant no disrespect to you. Obviously if you are pro-PC and that’s the environment you’re most comfortable with, go that way. And people are valuable regardless of what computing platform they use. Using a PC doesn’t make a person a lesser anything. I take inferences that I value a human life less because of some material thing pretty seriously. Life is sacred! Your hardware of choice doesn’t change that one bit.

But if you’re deciding between a Mac and PC and need to make a buying decision and you are a web professional, a Mac simply is the most obvious choice. That a Mac runs Windows, OS X, Unix, Linux, and just about every OS that can run on an Intel chipset natively or through emulators is huge. That’s not an opinion of mine, its fact, and one that has saved me thousands of dollars in development time. The Mac does that, Windows based PCs do not. That’s not a subjective statement.

Of course, there are other ways to solve that but they involve buying more hardware, taking up more desktop space, etc… whereas the Mac allows you all those environments on a single machine. Again, that is not subjective opinion, its fact.

Its EllisLab’s official stance is that people should do what they like best in terms of web development. If sitting down in front of a Mac makes you upset, certainly fireup a warm copy of Vista, which is a very nice, stable OS that I have nothing against. I’ve got a copy myself and use it, granted mostly for gaming. And that’s exactly my point. I use it on my Mac and it runs great. With Mac hardware you are not deciding between Windows and OSX, you get both.

What EllisLab like best is developing on Macs for the above reasons. It saves our on budget and provides what we’ve found to be the most productive environment for web application development and deployment.

i still prefer OS/2 over OSX and Vista; if only IBM wouldn’t have abandoned it.

That said, I lose a hard-drive a year, and the first one to go was my Powerbook.  I personally prefer OSX specific software such as Mail.app, Transmit, Textmate - but I prefer Word on the PC.

Ultimately I like really small laptops, and Apple does not, as yet, offer one comparable to my Sony Vaio.  When they offer a sub-2lb OSX box, then I’ll be seriously looking at that for my every-day machine.

I miss OS/2.

I used to work for IBM doing support for Warp. It really was a nice system…

I still have, somewhere, an old copy of Windows with a blurb on the front that says “To prepare you for the wonders of OS/2!”

And Windows XP can actually still run OS/2 1.0 applications (since it was built on the NT kernel, that evolved from the OS/2 project). ;P

I have fond memories of finally getting Doom running on OS/2.

Thread closed.  Well done, people.