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I just want to finish by saying that I think this is the most unfriendly forum I’ve ever visited.  As far as I can tell the culture of “go read the manual” is completely out of control.

I just want to finish by saying that I think this is the most unfriendly forum I’ve ever visited.  As far as I can tell the culture of “go read the manual” is completely out of control.

If you think this is the most unfriendly forum, you ought to try the forum of some of the other frameworks. You’ll see responses like, “This framework is not for newbies. You should go learn CodeIgniter and then come back when you have more experience”. Or ask a simple question and get a response like, “Read the comments in the code”. RTCC I guess. I think the truth is that if you know PHP, and spend 2 or 3 hours with the user documentation, that unless you missed something when reading the docs, CodeIgniter is so simple to use that you’ll see why many people say RTFM.

Hi folks,
A possible solution would be to have a newbie forum section.  If people post in here, they are either newbies, or experienced developers who want to help out newbies.  For pro non-newbie-friendly developers, they can just ignore that section.  Think of it like a newbie filter 😊

Sounds fine in theory, but people already post in the wrong sections way too often… it wouldn’t get used properly. And probably still wouldn’t satisfy anybody.

I just want to finish by saying that I think this is the most unfriendly forum I’ve ever visited.  As far as I can tell the culture of “go read the manual” is completely out of control.

You probably have not visited many other framework forums then.

Maybe true, but I think it also says something about someone who can’t take a few precious minutes to try to solve their own problems by googling for a solution FIRST, and if they can’t find it THEN ask.  More than likely, they weren’t the first humans on the planet to have the problem, and the answer IS out there.  So we end up with 500 people asking the same things over and over and over.  Just look at how many people on this site ask how to remove index.php from the url.  The answer is in the user manual and also already in 500 threads on the site.  It gets old and waters down the forums with the same thing over and over.  THE ANSWER IS ALREADY THERE IF YOU TAKE A SECOND AND LOOK FOR YOURSELF.  Not hard to do at all.  Some people are just lazy.

Maybe true, but I think it also says something about someone who can’t take a few precious minutes to try to solve their own problems by googling for a solution FIRST, and if they can’t find it THEN ask.  More than likely, they weren’t the first humans on the planet to have the problem, and the answer IS out there.  So we end up with 500 people asking the same things over and over and over.  Just look at how many people on this site ask how to remove index.php from the url.  The answer is in the user manual and also already in 500 threads on the site.  It gets old and waters down the forums with the same thing over and over.  THE ANSWER IS ALREADY THERE IF YOU TAKE A SECOND AND LOOK FOR YOURSELF.  Not hard to do at all.  Some people are just lazy.

Could not agree more.

I have to agree with CroNix and also add the below.

Googling isn’t exactly rocket science after all. Either is using the Forum Search button.

And do not forget the ones that will not even try to figure out why they
have an Error when the Error message is right there in front of them with a code line number.

They just keep coming back asking questions about their Errors to get you
to always write the code for them instead of tracking them down for themselves.

Computer Programming is planning and problem solving, so start solving your own code
problems. It is called debugging.

You learn by doing and by your mistakes not by someone always giving you the answer.

I have to agree with CroNix and also add the below.

Googling isn’t exactly rocket science after all. Either is using the Forum Search button.

And do not forget the ones that will not even try to figure out why they
have an Error when the Error message is right there in front of them with a code line number.

They just keep coming back asking questions about their Errors to get you
to always write the code for them instead of tracking them down for themselves.

Computer Programming is planning and problem solving, so start solving your own code
problems. It is called debugging.

You learn by doing and by your mistakes not by someone always giving you the answer.

That, and learn some friggin’ PHP!

The definition of a gentleman is to make life easier for others.

For those new to CI or PHP, it really pays to read through the manual methodically. It’s as good a piece of documentation as I’ve ever read.

For more experienced folks, it pays to be nice. Issues are resolved and threads closed.