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I have had it with IE 9 and FireFox 4.0

April 10, 2011 11:15pm

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  • #1 / Apr 10, 2011 11:15pm

    InsiteFX

    6819 posts

    Ok,

    This may also help others having javascript problems!

    I have been running and testing both of these new web browsers for a wow now and Today I have un-installed both of them and went back to IE 8 and FireFox 3.6!

    I use Sprint PCS for my mobile phone services

    On their web site none of their javascript is working with either of these new browsers!

    But yet they work with IE 8 and FireFox 3.6

    One thing I did read a while back was that microsoft found a BUG! In javascript returning a null object! I belive that they already got jQuery to fix it.

    So from my guess all these new web broswers are fixing this bug but the web sites on the internet are not fixing their javascript code.

    Here is another example, I go to Web Lees web site a lot and with IE 9 if I click on any read more it just sits there and does nothing. So his site was useless to me.

    Now you know why I have un-install all new web broswers on my system!

    So with all these new changes to the new web broswers here comes all the new headaches once again!

    InsiteFX

  • #2 / Apr 11, 2011 2:46am

    Madmartigan1

    160 posts

    I tried them both last year and they were buggy as hell, but just upgraded to FF4 again and having no issues.

    Don’t fret, things are getting better! The difference is that we’ll be complaining that IE8 doesn’t have proper transform and box-shadow support and that offline storage isn’t working.

  • #3 / Apr 11, 2011 3:17am

    InsiteFX

    6819 posts

    I have an IE jQuery script thats adds all the html5 and css3 stuff so I can still test my web sites using it!

    Besides if you really look at IE 9 it has maybe 10 html5 commads in it thats all!

    I only have one web editor that will do html5 and css3 by default I am still waiting for the other editors I own to catch up LOL.

    Preceding the launch of IE9 later today, we are learning about a new bug in Firefox 4, a bug in IE9 Microsoft will not fix prior to launch and Mozilla’s claims that Microsoft’s IE9 marketing is sexist.

    The Mozilla QA team has found a Java bug that has not been qualified as a blocking bug for the final Firefox 4 in a final version.

    InsiteFX

  • #4 / Apr 11, 2011 3:27am

    Madmartigan1

    160 posts

    I have an IE jQuery script thats adds all the html5 and css3 stuff so I can still test my web sites using it!

    Whut??? No you don’t!

    I only have one web editor that will do html5 and css3 by default I am still waiting for the other editors I own to catch up LOL.

    Web editor? What are you using, and what do you mean it won’t do html5 and css3?

    Preceding the launch of IE9 later today, we are learning about a new bug in Firefox 4, a bug in IE9 Microsoft will not fix prior to launch and Mozilla’s claims that Microsoft’s IE9 marketing is sexist.

    The Mozilla QA team has found a Java bug that has not been qualified as a blocking bug for the final Firefox 4 in a final version.

    I’m interested. Link?

  • #5 / Apr 11, 2011 3:41am

    InsiteFX

    6819 posts

    There are addons for making IE do html5 and css3

    WeBuilder 2010 and PHPDesigner 7 will not do html5 and css3

    I bought CoffeeCups web editor years ago so I get free updates for life, it has html5 and css3 built in!

    How To Start Using HTML5 + CSS3 Now!

    InsiteFX

  • #6 / Apr 11, 2011 3:59am

    Madmartigan1

    160 posts

    Sorry I meant I was interested in the links about the bugs and Mozilla’s attempt to slander Microsoft, if you had them. I can look it up.

    Never heard of those tools but I had a CoffeeCup image map generator long ago that was pretty handy. All the CoffeeCup software I’ve seen is junk. I always write code myself so to me this WebBuilder looks like an absolute colossal nightmare headache monstrosity:

    http://www.blumentals.net/webuilder/images/tour/main.png

    Never noticed, we can’t post images?

  • #7 / Apr 11, 2011 4:45am

    [254]Prof

    9 posts

    I have also had the problem of my preferred IDE not supporting html5 and css3. But I recently discovered that Komodo IDE supports them to some extent.

    @Madmartigan1
    For tools that add html5 and css3 support to IE, check out:
    - html5 shiv
    - Modernizer
    - Selectivizr

  • #8 / Apr 11, 2011 4:54am

    Madmartigan1

    160 posts

    Thanks guys, I am aware of those tools.

    Here’s another, because you know it’s really IE and not Opera 8 or FF2 that we have to cater to:

    http://css3pie.com/

  • #9 / Apr 11, 2011 7:20am

    osci

    377 posts

    I too am totally fed up with browsers’ differences. In my lab machine I have ie9, ff4, chrome (latest only), safari, ie8 in vm, ie7 in vm, ie6 in vm (but lately stopped using it - thanks god it is dying soon - biggest share of ie6 is china btw, never been my target audience), ff3.6 in vm and when I’m designing i have to go through all those aarg browsers to check their rendering :/
    Toooooooo much time because of those folks that just don’t upgrade their browsers, or by companies like ms thinking that rfc has nothing to do with them, and always figure their own ways for implementation (aaaarg too).

  • #10 / Apr 11, 2011 8:00am

    InsiteFX

    6819 posts

    @Madmartigan1

    I have CoffeeCups newest Image Mapper LOL!

    Yes I know it is really IE, but you have to support all browsers! But I am thinking of dropping support for IE 6. I know a lot of web developers have already started dropping it.

    WeBuilder is big but it does everything. I use PHPDeveloper 7.2.5 most of the time. But the next version of WeBuilder will support html5 and css3.

    I mean come on guys why should I have to add 6 to 8 extra lines of css code to support all broswers?
    They need to get a standard on css so that all broswers use the same code.

    @[254]Prof

    Those are the tools that I use…

    @osci

    Ya like to get rid of Ie 7 scrollbars
    html { overflow: auto; }

    Or to stop screen flicker because you goto another page and it thows a scrollbar on. Always have a scrollbar.
    html { min-height: 101%; } /* IE */
    html { overflow: -moz-scrollbars-vertical !important; } /* FireFox */

    InsiteFX

  • #11 / Apr 11, 2011 1:04pm

    Madmartigan1

    160 posts

    You don’t have to develop for ALL browsers, just the ones that are actually used 😉

    Here’s how I see it: Any non IE user has already taken that first step beyond the default browser, it is most likely they will be keeping with updates (that are typically suggested/auto-installed by the browser). Besides that, Opera is a niche browser (yep) and FF/Chrome/Safari are already quite awesome (as is Opera). If your site is struggling in one of those browsers, you have problems (unless its Opera which has some weird bugs haha).

    IE Users IMO break down like this:

      IE6: People at work who are forced to use this, or kitchen table/basement computers from 1994 that Grandma uses once in a while to check her AOL email over dialup.
      IE7: People who are still running Windows XP and failed to get service pack 2 for some reason, probably similar to IE6 users but with a greater market share
      IE8: Any Joe Schmoe who has bought a computer in the last 5 years.
      IE9: Future default users - not concerned with this yet at all.

    IE8 is tolerable, it’s 6 and 7 that define “cross-browser” to me - and lots of people are using them - not just the Chinese. I personally can’t/will_not use progressive enhancement techniques because for one, it makes communication with clients more difficult and is often disappointing. Let me demonstrate:

    Me (on the phone): “Now click on the button that says ‘New Article’.”
    Client: “OK, where is that?”
    Me: “Inside the rounded box with the shadow and blue gradient, the one on the left.”
    Client: “Uhhh, where?”
    Me (realizes they’re on IE): “Oh, um, I mean the square on the left with the blue background.”

    Just a cute example, but I am serious! Stuff like this has happened enough times for it to be a legit concern for me. If it works in Chrome, it must work in IE. It sucks, but it sure keeps me looking for ways to get IE to behave instead of ignoring its gigantic market share. Also BTW I don’t do conditional comments! Not needed if you know how to design cross-browser (It’s true), just use the .htc patches and solid css/html. A little javascript can bail you out of those tight spots so you don’t have to pollute your filesystem and html source with IE-only stuff

    Oh InsiteFX I watched the intro vid to that PHP Builder or whatever it was on their main website, and there was some college kid trying showing us how to use it and (besides obvious ignorance of security and sql injection) he had some function where the final line looked like this (not exaggerating):

    return nl2br(htmlentities(strip_tags(trim(htmlspecialchars($comment)))));

    Lost my marbles and turned it off haha

  • #12 / Apr 11, 2011 4:23pm

    InsiteFX

    6819 posts

    LOL! Glad it was not my demo.

    I can work around the problems with different browsers what ticked me off was complaining to Sprint PCS for the last two months and still did not fix their javascript errors!

    And guess what my 2 years are up this month but I have had them for over 8 years now!

    InsiteFX

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