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PHP IDE with support CodeIgniter

August 24, 2009 9:08am

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  • #16 / Aug 28, 2009 8:54pm

    pmoroom

    55 posts

    Hi.

    Our goal is to develop CodeIgniter plug-in that will be useful for developers and provide rapid abilities. We hope for your suggestions.
    As i said - it has already special CodeIgniter framework autocomplete and dynamic help for its API.

    Drupal and Joomla CMS are also free, but we have many customers of our plug-ins.

    Regards,
    Codelobster Team.

    I’m trying it out now…free or pay if it works I will use it.  I believe in people getting paid for what they do if they so choose to go that route.  If a product isn’t for me, it isn’t for me, but I don’t think it is fair for people to go after you for putting your product out there.

  • #17 / Aug 29, 2009 3:00am

    InsiteFX

    6819 posts

    1) This is a forum for helping users work with CodeIgniter not for trying to sale Software and Plugin’s!

    Enjoy
    InsiteFX

  • #18 / Aug 29, 2009 4:09am

    kgill

    231 posts

    Indeed, the forums shouldn’t be used as a way to generate sales leads, you want that then pony up some money to Ellislab.

  • #19 / Aug 29, 2009 9:26am

    jedd

    2089 posts

    I’m trying it out now…free or pay if it works I will use it.  I believe in people getting paid for what they do if they so choose to go that route.  If a product isn’t for me, it isn’t for me, but I don’t think it is fair for people to go after you for putting your product out there.

    I suspect I am the people that you refer to, so I’ll offer some enlightenment on my POV.

    Your phrase ‘free or pay’ highlights one of the problems with English - the existence of overloaded words.  It’s particularly confusing in this setting because when I use the word free (as above) it means free as in libre, not free as in gratis.  Actually, most of the time that I use the word free in the context of software I’m talking about the freedom aspect, not the monetary value - and generally use the expression $-free to refer to the gratis version of the word.

    I am, of course, very happy with the idea of paying for free software - I have such software installed on my computer.  The concept should not be confusing to anyone.

    I’ll ‘go after’ (though I was just observing that they’d have a problem flogging their wares here) non-free software in almost any context, for any number of ethical and practical reasons.  In this particular instance I think the non-free approach is inappropriate because:
    o PHP is free software
    o CodeIgniter is free software

    The facts that many PHP users also use Apache (free) and run on GNU/Linux systems (free) are just freebies.

    My first problem when I trundled off to the site, in response to their $-free advertisement in these forums, was that I couldn’t work out whether their software would run on my computer.  As a user of a real operating system, one tends to simply assume that things won’t - but in the PHP/CodeIgniter corner of the net that assumption inverts.  It’s non-obvious (to the extent that I had to go to wikipedia to find out) what platforms their software runs on.  You could feasibly conclude that this is because they are embarrassed about the fact that they are spurning the free software world, despite taking advantage of it—or that they simply didn’t consider non-Microsoft visitors.  It’s hard to say which is worse.

    My bigger problem is a hybrid—everything in my development environment is free - that is, I have access to the source, and the right to make changes to same—and after enjoying the benefits of that for so long, polluting my environment with non-free software isn’t an attractive proposition.  The other side of this is the attitude inherent in the developers / marketers—it’s a risky move to enter a market populated by customers who like the idea of free software, and produce a non-free product.  You’re potentially alienating the people who might otherwise feel kindly to your product.  It almost becomes irrelevant that there’s competing products with almost identical functionality, that are both free and $-free.

  • #20 / Aug 29, 2009 10:53am

    pmoroom

    55 posts

    I’m trying it out now…free or pay if it works I will use it.  I believe in people getting paid for what they do if they so choose to go that route.  If a product isn’t for me, it isn’t for me, but I don’t think it is fair for people to go after you for putting your product out there.

    I suspect I am the people that you refer to, so I’ll offer some enlightenment on my POV.

    Your phrase ‘free or pay’ highlights one of the problems with English - the existence of overloaded words.  It’s particularly confusing in this setting because when I use the word free (as above) it means free as in libre, not free as in gratis.  Actually, most of the time that I use the word free in the context of software I’m talking about the freedom aspect, not the monetary value - and generally use the expression $-free to refer to the gratis version of the word.

    I am, of course, very happy with the idea of paying for free software - I have such software installed on my computer.  The concept should not be confusing to anyone.

    I’ll ‘go after’ (though I was just observing that they’d have a problem flogging their wares here) non-free software in almost any context, for any number of ethical and practical reasons.  In this particular instance I think the non-free approach is inappropriate because:
    o PHP is free software
    o CodeIgniter is free software

    The facts that many PHP users also use Apache (free) and run on GNU/Linux systems (free) are just freebies.

    My first problem when I trundled off to the site, in response to their $-free advertisement in these forums, was that I couldn’t work out whether their software would run on my computer.  As a user of a real operating system, one tends to simply assume that things won’t - but in the PHP/CodeIgniter corner of the net that assumption inverts.  It’s non-obvious (to the extent that I had to go to wikipedia to find out) what platforms their software runs on.  You could feasibly conclude that this is because they are embarrassed about the fact that they are spurning the free software world, despite taking advantage of it—or that they simply didn’t consider non-Microsoft visitors.  It’s hard to say which is worse.

    My bigger problem is a hybrid—everything in my development environment is free - that is, I have access to the source, and the right to make changes to same—and after enjoying the benefits of that for so long, polluting my environment with non-free software isn’t an attractive proposition.  The other side of this is the attitude inherent in the developers / marketers—it’s a risky move to enter a market populated by customers who like the idea of free software, and produce a non-free product.  You’re potentially alienating the people who might otherwise feel kindly to your product.  It almost becomes irrelevant that there’s competing products with almost identical functionality, that are both free and $-free.

    While I appreciate your response, my post was directed at no one in particular.  If I had meant that, I would have put in names. Remember that on the internet everyone has bigger muscles! 😉 As of late, I’ve seen some bashing here and I’ve been following, although silently, for quite some time.  Maybe everyone’s sad summer is coming to an end…..I know I am.

    Anyway, I was simply trying to be nice to the guy. Nothing here, let’s move along.

  • #21 / Aug 30, 2009 3:49am

    clod

    27 posts

    I looked at the features of your editor on your website.  It looks pretty good.  One feature would be useful for me is the ability to upload via ftp to a website.  Also, does your editor support remote debugging?  I didn’t see that.

    Good luck with your product.

    Hi.
    Big thanks for suggestion.
    Remote debugging and FTP upload tehre are in our plans.
    Unfortunately there is impossible
    We go to our target step by step.

    About free concept:
    As we know - our attempt is the first attempt to create special IDE functions for CodeIgniter framework.
    And it is useful for CodeIgniter development in any case.

    Regards,
    Codelobster Team.

  • #22 / Sep 23, 2009 12:06pm

    johnwbaxter

    651 posts

    @clod

    Would your software run on Wine? It might then be usable by people on mac or linux too.

  • #23 / Sep 23, 2009 12:21pm

    BrianDHall

    760 posts

    Um…you said the IDE was free and had special CI features. The site states:

    CodeIgniter plug-in   $24.95   Buy now

    So the IDE may be free (as in gratis), but the special CI features aren’t. Its deeply annoying to intelligent people, and indeed to most idiots, to be told something is free only to later find that it isn’t. If you want to sell something, fine - say so. I used PHPed that I knew wasn’t free at all - but the most they ever claimed was a ‘free trial’. Admittedly ‘free trial’ is perhaps redundant, but I’m willing to overlook it.

  • #24 / Sep 24, 2009 3:10am

    clod

    27 posts

    Hi.

    Please, read my first post more carefully.
    I have wrote that CodeIgniter plug-in is paid.

    Also now the number of our customers are growing very fast.
    So we have huge value of suggestion.

    Regards,
    Codelobster Team.

  • #25 / Nov 20, 2009 10:52pm

    Jondolar

    206 posts

    My 2 cents…

    The fact that it is written in C++ may might actually be a benefit over an editor written in Java.  My poor old laptop just can’t run eclipse but can handle lots of programs written in C++.  So, for some people, an editor written in C++ may actually be a differentiator.

  • #26 / Nov 21, 2009 12:06am

    aptereket

    8 posts

    Who uses it, what can you say about this IDE?

  • #27 / Dec 05, 2009 7:19am

    Loquela

    105 posts

    ...I believe in people getting paid for what they do if they so choose to go that route.  ... but I don’t think it is fair for people to go after you for putting your product out there.

    I agree to this sentiment but I do think it’s a bit disingenuous to post an unpaid advert for a commercial product on a free forum that supports a free project, and THEN ask the free community to beta test and provide free feedback. It’s a bit like having your cake and eating it.

    I think you would generate more credibility for yourselves and your product if you offered to pay people in these forums to test your product and offer to pay the Codigniter project for advertising it.

    I kind of think you are missing the spirit of the things here. I won’t be buying, but I am sure if your product is good enough you will get quite a few Windows users falling for it - there are still plenty of them around 😉

  • #28 / Dec 07, 2009 3:12am

    clod

    27 posts

    Hi.

    Do you know any another IDE that support CodeIgniter framework directly?
    We think, that it is already very usefull that we try to do it.
    We do not ask about huge beta testing.
    We say simply, that we are open for any suggestion about our plug-in.

    And one more very important thing: our IDE with many powerful features is FREE absolutely.
    Only plug-ins for frameworks including CodeIgniter, Drupal, Joomla, WordPress, Smarty nad JQuery are paid.

    Now we are working on free features like FTP support, improving debugger and etc also.

    BTW we have released version 3.3. with follow new abilities:
    http://www.codelobster.com/news.html

    Regards,
    Codelobster Team.

  • #29 / Dec 07, 2009 3:35am

    Loquela

    105 posts

    There you go again. More free advertising. You’re shameless aren’t you? 😉

    Do you know any another IDE that support CodeIgniter framework directly?

    Yes, I do: eclipse. You just need to follow these instructions and you have full code assist for Codigniter.
    Works a treat. And it’s free.

  • #30 / Dec 07, 2009 4:02am

    clod

    27 posts

    Hi.

    Sure, we know about Eclipse.
    You will have standart autocomplete based on project code structure here.
    But we have several special CodeIgniter parsers for autocomlete
    and Context Help for framework’s functions that points to Codeigniter site directly.

    Regards,
    Codelobster Team.

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