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you are right about the wooden seat. the interface has not changed massively in a few years, and certain elements are tricky to remember where they are.
The interface does feel old Vs the new WP2.8 generation, born a very short time back by comparison. But this is why the EE2.0 release is going through extensive UI testing at this very moment (or so the article suggests)... the whole purpose is to improve this based on more current technologies - much like WP did with 2.8.

If the problem is that WP was out sooner than EE, then hey, one had to come first! We could be pointing out MT or Joomla had an earlier release than WP and did many of things WP did and many others too - some better than the current WP at the time… but again that is not the point, each to their own…

But again going on about circles, i am not sure what the point is… WP is looks nice, has a good interface, is easy to use. Hence, EE is improving - and is that not what is currently happening? Perhaps i am wrong? EE2 is a myth?

what is actually trying to be achieved here? again to my previous post. specifically what do you want that is not already being done / considered in the EE2 release? (that we currently know of?)

ooops and i missed…

Don’t do anything to your cars just sit in them and drive.

if this is the case - and you do not want to anything other than use them - then choose the right one for you.
if however you want it for a specific purpose and nothing out there does it exactly to your needs you have to modify it.

WP does a lot out of the box and can be modified.
For me EE does a lot out of the box, can be modified, and makes heavy/extensive modification easy.

Hence if i have specific needs i go for EE. if i need a blog, just a blog, and no specific requirements. WP works. horses for courses (not dead flogged ones though gramps - they become glue!)

I just want to spend more time developing with EE than being a tech support & teaching end user how to use it.
What people are trying to say (in this case) here is look at the WP and learn EllisLab.
I made my choice…it is pretty obvious…but making life easier for their users would be a nice goal for company to have.

you try teaching someone joomla then!!! but yes certainly training is part of any complex CMS or Ecomm build these days for me… Also support for when they forget…
And no WP is not immune to this - i spend as much time on this for clients. Typically when they upgrade the system or plugin automatically without backing up and something goes wrong. and i have to restore from my records.
But yes EE the backup and upgrade issues are the same, if not slightly harder.
But i find the general use easier because of being able to tailor it more specifically to each users ability (or lack of being the case most of the time!).

you have made your choice, and telling EE guys to think long and hard about UI is exactly what they are doing now isn’t it? and beta testing right now isn’t it? so again - what are they not doing for you at the moment?

at the moment = this summer, next summer…by the time they are done, the improvements they make will already be out dated. (kidding)
But seriously all we got is a screencast, I think that EE2 needs to start becoming more real the wait is killing me while the doubt grows stronger. (The dark side is winning)

But seriously all we got is a screencast…

And how old is that?

But seriously all we got is a screencast…

And how old is that?

my point exactly….over a year ago!

my point exactly….over a year ago!

Even that is somewhat cosmetic by nature (true, lots of backend work to make it happen, but...)

I want to suspect the best from EE. Could it be, that with the move to CI, that EE is setting a framework for even more advanced capability, say, by version 2.5?

The problem there is expectations vs. needs/wants vs. reality. By not giving us much detail as to features, performance, etc., and only publicizing the cosmetic changes in the Control Panel, EE sets lower expectations as to what the final version of EE 2.0 brings.

The needs and wants are never ending and mostly dynamic, though it seems EE is trying to establish a vibrant, commercial 3rd party add-on component. I can’t speak for developers, but even looking at Joomla, Drupal, and WordPress, I don’t see much of a commercial, supportable 3rd party add-on community. Lots of widgets and add-ons, but only a few of them come with any support for commercial developers (meaning, they’re updated regularly).

As to the reality, EE 2.0 shows up when it shows up. It’ll be what it is, but needs to be sufficiently enlightening to developers that we see both the fulfillment for now (a reward for our patience), and the potential (look at all the cool new things it does).

By not giving us much detail as to features, performance, etc., and only publicizing the cosmetic changes in the Control Panel, EE sets lower expectations as to what the final version of EE 2.0 brings.

Well said my man!!!
Playing opossum or really dead before even being born? (like that poor horse we keep turning into glue LOL)
We shall see…

well time lines i can see no one arguing with… Even the team here have said how seriously they underestimated it. and yes i am as desperate as the next man to see it and i got flamed for it too!!!
but as they have said expect nothing more than the existing, just with a polished UI and by polished i am going on what we have seen so far by comparison…

lets wait on the BETA, and hope we get let in! and hope that as you say it is not outdated by release - which i doubt very much… my hope is that more of the top end addons are in updated and suitable for use with the new system! but that is another forum post.

but at least the circles are becoming straight lines now and the flogged horse is roaming free from the glue factory… i might become mr happy soon.

We all live in evil land of “when it comes? vs. it comes when it comes!”. Im happy that Gallery Module will be dead man walking and new Gallery is within channels. What comes to WP vs. EE vs. when vs. why vs. free vs. commercial…Who cares, really? This all is because we all are waiting EE2.0 and have nothing to do :cheese:

I care only about ETA ie. when i get EE2.0 and really see more than the thread titles here (via advanced search where all the beta forums is shown - at least atm. heh - try to search there with “not working” hah…). “updates on EE2”-Blog entries has been basic autopositive marketing, (this is MY opionion so leave that alone).

Screencast from “back then” is hmhm..well i didnt even remembered that anymore before reading this…

Anyhoo, as being loyal client/customer to EL and 3rd party add-ons devs(that have had huge facelifting promo in the forum replies here in last couple of months) gives me the right to say the thoughts and downsides. I really thought that EE2.0 is out 2008.  And soon is 2010. No more - no less to say. Ugh!

Wordpress is the best blog software out there. But it’s not a full featured CMS. If you want a straight blog WP might be a better choice. If you want to go beyond the blog, there is no doubt EE is much better.

It’s not a full-featured CMS?  Oh.  Thanks for letting us know.  But I think these people might just disagree.

(The second link is from the Ford Motor Company, BTW)

@Carl

...If you don’t mind your site looking like every 3rd blog out there then WP is a great/free and quick choice.

LOL, I guess you haven’t seen too many WP sites lately, have you?  “Looking like every third blog” has been gone for quite a while.  Do a little research before making such silly statements.

You can all sit around and mutter “horses for courses”, but if you were honest, you’d admit WP has EE beat.  And really, if EE is so great and so worth waiting YEARS for a new version, then why is every EE user I know jumping ship to WP?

Someone (sorry for not quoting you directly, but I’m tired of wading through this thread without a shovel) stated that EE 2.0 may be a myth.  Yes. I often think that myself.

@Coldfiress
I have seen quite a few WP sites…and 99% cases if I thought it is built with WP I was right. I wonder what it is that gives it away? Think about that for a while…and tell me how silly it is.
You missed the point, it was a comment directed to end-user Carl who doesn’t have the skills to tweak & design either WP or EE.
I am sorry but I just don’t want to spend time looking for free plugins made in some 3rd world country (no pun intended), non-existent support and sweat the process of upgrade and what crucial plugin will fail at the next release. How to word the letter to 30 clients and explain how they have a choice…between loosing a feature until the plugin is updated (if ever) or running the newest WP version with a security fix.
Would you like to know a most recent big/known site that runs on WP and was hacked by a the same ‘open source community’? Here you go: http://www.learningjquery.com/. (ask Karl)

WP has EE beat in the admin interface and ease of use from end user perspective…that is about it. What you can do with each package out-of-the-box…common, you have to be honest WP stands no chance if you want more than a blog. I like using WP but I love working with EE.Big difference in my book.
With enough coffee and duck tape you can use notepad + ftp client and call it a cms. You would be managing content…and would have a system = CMS. Would you not? 😊

No one wants to admit ‘their favorite football team’ sucks…I, on other hand, don’t mind being harsh towards mine (I complained plenty in this thread LOL) , because I want them to be better. People stay fans even when their team stands no chance…I understand and respect that and also don’t bet on that team.

We all agree that talking about EE2 is as exciting as being told that you would get your gift on next Christmas…after you heard it for the 3rd time it starts to burn rather than motivate to ‘be a good boy’ for another year.
What is that thing called that we are all running out of and it is also considered a virtue?

If you’re happy with WP, go on. Be Happy!
If you’re happy with EE, go on. Be Happy!

There really isn’t more for you (Coldfiress & other WP fans) to state about how awesome WP is.
We will continue to hear these debates. We’ll continue to compare. We’ll continue to continue.
Those of us who use EE, love working with EE, and make EE our first choice when building a site, will:
A. Not miss you nor your WP loving friends.
B. Continue to use EE, despite the wait for EE2 (and when it comes out, we will NOT rub it in your face about how awesome it is).
C. Acknowledge WP as a sufficient blogging engine, which it clearly is.

yawn, circles, fan boys.
each has its own purpose, benefits, advantages, disadvantages, etc, etc, etc, etc.

make an educated choice on the specific project at hand, job done.