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Hi, where is the pMachine forum? I can’t find it but know it exists (or did recently) somewhere.

Also where is the pMachine download.

thanks

pMachine is ExpressionEngine.

You can buy the ExpressionEngine forum her: https://secure.expressionengine.com/index.php?ACT=Forum

Err, thanks Niklas…..but I’m actually looking for the forums which support pMachine!

pMachine support used to be at http://www.pmachinepro.com (I think?) - can’t find it now :(

Where is pMachine supported?

As Niklas said pMachine was superceded by EE a few years back, I’d suggest posting your questions on these forums but as PM is very old now have you considered upgrading to the current version of EE?

Greetings, Niklas - the pMachine Pro forums had not seen any non-spam (manual human-entered spam, mind you) activity for a very long time.  Since pMachine was several years undeveloped those forums have now been removed.

pMachine is no longer supported, so I would definitely concur with bluedreamer and suggest that you look at migrating to ExpressionEngine.  Do you have some concerns that have made you hesitate in that move?  I’d be happy to help address them.

Greetings, Niklas - the pMachine Pro forums had not seen any non-spam (manual human-entered spam, mind you) activity for a very long time.  Since pMachine was several years undeveloped those forums have now been removed.

pMachine is no longer supported, so I would definitely concur with bluedreamer and suggest that you look at migrating to ExpressionEngine.  Do you have some concerns that have made you hesitate in that move?  I’d be happy to help address them.

Hey Lisa, i am not the one with pMachine problems;)

*sigh* Sorry about that.  I read a bit too fast.

Hi Lisa,

A few weeks ago pMachine was supported….? It had it’s own site and forums. What happened?

I know it’s long since given way to EE, but for a lot of folk they preferred the way pMachine worked - it’s simplicity in an all-in-one package. I’ve no intention of migrating to EE, pMachine did everything I wanted and more - sorry, for my money EE is just art for art’s sake, good for geeks but not for low enders like me who’ve only just got their head round pMachine’s depths!

I also recently exchanged words with a guy on the pMachine forum (now defunct it seems), can’t recall his name, but he was very helpful but also very knowledgeable about the two scripts…and he gave a list of some ten points why pMachine was better than EE. I must admit, I concurred with most of them.

Anyway, if the pMachine site is gone for good….well, I’ll just soldier on unsupported. Haven’t time to learn EE.

cheers

I mean supported in the sense of having it’s own site/forums….believe me I was logged in there not so long ago!

It’s not crazy. I downloaded EE years ago and tried to get the hang of it. Gave up, pMachine was much simpler and suited my way of working.

Why learn something new when there’s something which already works perfectly well for what you want?....because it’s ‘cool’??

Why learn something new when there’s something which already works perfectly well for what you want?....because it’s ‘cool’??

...so sayeth the guy with the horse and buggy…

😉

I hear you. I’ve been there. At my age, tackling anything new is a mental struggle. It’s important to understand that problems change, tools change, solutions change, and so should our ability to apply our knowledge and tools to new problems.

I came from pMachine, which I truly enjoyed, but found to be very limiting at times, and cumbersome to customize. Somewhere around the end of 2003 Rick sent me an early beta of EE. Love at first sight. Almost no restrictions means nearly unlimited capability to solve new and more complex problems. Sure, sticking with a horse and buggy will get you places, but not as far or as fast or as many interesting destinations as the advancements that came with EE.

Well your mileage may vary! But for my mileage pMachine is fine…and very economical 😉

Oh, and one thing which might have been useful (and courteous) - give us a bit of notice/forewarning if the plug is going to be pulled on a support site/forum. I had one or two useful contacts there who were pMachine fans and we used the private messaging service. I’m sure we would have exchanged email addresses if we’d known it was going down.

This shouldn’t be difficult to do - you do, after all, have our email addresses!

I’m pretty sure I remember reading about pM Pro going down for good, but I’ll be buggered if I can recall where it was (either email or here in the forums) sometime last February. Could have even been in an IM conversation. Sorry, I know this doesn’t help much but… Now I’m curious about when the pM Pro site actually went *poof.*

Why learn something new when there’s something which already works perfectly well for what you want?....because it’s ‘cool’??

Because you don’t know what you don’t know…;)

Former pMachine user here too.  I was pretty good with it, and used it on a number of client sites.  Some of them still running, even.

I even continued to use it for a bit after EE came out because I looked at EE and just didn’t get it.  It sorta kinda looked the same but it wasn’t immediately clear what the differences were.

Now I’m on the other side of that equation - and while I’m not sure who the person was behind the “10 reasons pMPro is better than EE discussion” I’m going to go out on a limb say he wasn’t/isn’t fully up to speed on EE.

EE is flexible and powerful and extensible on an order of magnitude higher than pMPro ever was.

pMPro was a blogging tool with a couple of extra fields you could use for other content.  Custom field 1, custom field 2…etc.  With EE the fieldset is intrinsically custom and adaptable to your content type.

pMPro templates were split between PHP files on the server and template chunks in the pMPro interface.  Template editing was always a back and forth process - with EE the entire template is one file, viewable and editable all in one place.

The aftermarket of plugins, modules and extensions for EE simply didn’t exist for pMPro.

I could go on…(segment variables..conditionals….relationships)but essentially the reason EE exists is that Rick learned a bunch of things developing pMPro and couldn’t reverse-engineer them back into the product, so EE was born as a platform for those improvements.

pMPro was a great product in it’s day—but it’s day was 2002.  Honestly if EE is too much for you I’d recommend checking out Wordpress, Radiant, FrogCMS or any other number of currently-developed and supported CMS tools.  There’s just no good reason to use something that’s been abandoned and outmoded.

There’s just no good reason to use something that’s been abandoned and outmoded.

If you’ll pardon me saying…..Rubbish!

There are any number of examples of models/versions/products which are no longer made or have been ‘outmoded’.....and lamentably their replacement is woefully short of the former’s quality or utility or character. I’m not saying that is the case necessarily with EE, but it’s a nonsense thing to suggest that simply because something is newer it is better.

pMPro templates were split between PHP files on the server and template chunks in the pMPro interface.  Template editing was always a back and forth process - with EE the entire template is one file, viewable and editable all in one place.

That is just what I don’t want…and one of the reasons I like pMachine! Perhaps it’s the way I work with my html authoring software, but pMachine’s separation of these elements is perfect for me. I abhor template files!

Hey, I’m not knocking EE. But frankly I haven’t the time to learn EE when pMachine itself is about my limit of understanding (!) and when I can knock out just what I want and need. Just because something has new features or capabilities doesn’t mean I want or need them! I use a bicycle to go to the shops…

OK - so remove any and all generalities from my post..😉

In this specific case, and just in my opinion, while there may be some good reasons to continue to use pmPro, they are far outweighed by reasons not to.

For me it would start and end with security.  While the product had security-related releases up until the end it won’t have them any longer.

As a single-person shop I completely understand the time issue, but web development just isn’t a field where you can rest on a particular skillset for too long.

http://grabaperch.com/—here’s another simple CMS approach.