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If we saw screenshots three or so months ago, then I’m guessing we might be getting closer to at least a beta of 2.0.

Anyone want to venture a guess on version 2.0 of EE?

I guess Summer 2008 😉

I think it’s best for it to be ready, than to be available and a problem. It will come; be patient.

I agree with Jared on that one. And, no, I have absolutley no further information than that myself. Patience 😊

I estimate October 2008.

I’ll make sure not to ask for any guesses in the future, as I’m sure to get a lecture on my lack of patience, and on how software released before it is ready is, in fact, not ready to be released.

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I hope it’s just a misinterpretation on my part, or just a small run of posts from various community members in various EE forums I’ve read over the past few days, but there seems to be an attitude of dismissiveness towards many posters - moreso than on the WPMU forums, even. Instead of answering a question posed in a topic, the poster is lectured about the weather or some other unrelated topic. The air of superiority is loathesome. And if I come into these forums and pick up on it immediately, then it’s likely been going on for a long time. I’ve seen the dismissive attitude, the ‘take your ball and go home’ attitude, etc. - all the worst things associated with an online board. I’ve seen plenty of good, too - including right here in this topic of mine - but the good is not what bothers me - it’s what I expect.

Here’s to hoping I’m wrong!

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The air of superiority is loathesome. And if I come into these forums and pick up on it immediately, then it’s likely been going on for a long time.

Are you sure we are talking about these here forums? I hope not to sound condescending, but I’ve been around for a couple of years and a few thousand posts, and I never noticed such behavior, certainly not as a rule. People being people, there are tongue-in-cheek replies and such at times, but apart from that? It is precisely one of the reasons I enjoy this forum so much: its users are professional, friendly, courteous, and genuinely willing to help.

I’ll make sure not to ask for any guesses in the future, as I’m sure to get a lecture on my lack of patience, and on how software released before it is ready is, in fact, not ready to be released.

😠

I hope it’s just a misinterpretation on my part, or just a small run of posts from various community members in various EE forums I’ve read over the past few days, but there seems to be an attitude of dismissiveness towards many posters - moreso than on the WPMU forums, even. Instead of answering a question posed in a topic, the poster is lectured about the weather or some other unrelated topic. The air of superiority is loathesome. And if I come into these forums and pick up on it immediately, then it’s likely been going on for a long time. I’ve seen the dismissive attitude, the ‘take your ball and go home’ attitude, etc. - all the worst things associated with an online board. I’ve seen plenty of good, too - including right here in this topic of mine - but the good is not what bothers me - it’s what I expect.

Here’s to hoping I’m wrong!

😊

You are reading way too much into the responses here. I promise that this is a good community. 😊

It could also be that people are tired of this particular question since nobody, not even the dev team knows the exact answer to your question yet. We are still on track for a Summer 2008 release. The next thing to look for is not the actually release date but the beta announcement. That’s what we’re moving toward currently. The release date will depend on how the beta goes.

No ETA on the beta yet but its obviously our #1 priority. Any news about the beta release will be posted on the EE Blog.

Perhaps it is a good idea to create a sticky (like the “Why can’t I post here?”) with regards to asking about the ETA for EE 2.0.

All information is here and nothing outside of that will be answered as the answer is unknown.

Schmooth,

These forums are extremely helpful and not dismissive at all. Can you point to any threads to demonstrate this?

What this forum is not is a complete instructional guide. Some intelligence is assumed so concepts are also discussed and yes I guess you are expected to run with it. If you don’t get it then further help is given.

I’m sure you are confused with another forum though.

I don’t think anybody (even EE folks) know exactly when it will be appropriate to announce a release date.

What you are hearing is the state of current affairs: The last major milestone I remember hearing was the CodeIgniter integration, and that was a couple months ago.

Promising it will be delivered by X means either precursor milestones have been met, or an artificial deadline is necessary, more than likely at a time when it is unclear how long it will take. Look at Firefox: They’re on RC2 after, what, several months of debugging? I wish they would finish it, but I know better: I’m not an early adopter.

I would imagine WordPress has a hard time hiding details of milestones and releases, being open source and all, and if it was released with bugs that were known or with untested code, it’s not like you could demand your money back…

Look for the developer guidelines and notes to be released. It’s probably more appropriate to ask about these details, since that would give you a better picture of where they are at with the release.

2.0 is significantly rewritten (I imagine), with the CI integration, so it would seem necessary to hit that milestone before considering a hard and fast release date.

In fact, EllisLabs might do some good just publishing a milestones met and needed timeline (with no future dates but maybe the next). At least that would be something to point at as a response to these.

i know what i say doesn’t matter, but for people like me (if there are any) who are switching from drupal is kind of helpful to know the road map for the following reasons: (i am biased because of my project plans)

a little side note about my use of drupal. i’ve been using drupal for 2 years, i’ve co-built more than 20-30 different projects with it. though many argue it’s powerful but it’s not fast and it’s very rigid. not to mention that for a client we had to hire a very expensive consultant to help us out with performance which in my opinion didn’t make much difference and also customizing is not that easy! we want to switch to EE after seeing a few demos and digging very deep into the system. now here are our reasons for not switching yet

- plugins. i personally would not pay a group of somewhat expensive coders to write us the modules or plugins we need for EE1.6 just to see them obsolete because v2 has come out and it’s a must upgrade. we would have to pay them again to do the same task again.

- we don’t even know much about the differences between 1.6 and 2.0 , what if you guys are on a totally wrong direction which doesn’t fit within our needs. what if you guys nix some of the things we wanted the most…our needs for CMS has changed over the last few years, hens why we’re moving away from drupal.

- we’re not exactly sure about codeigniter. for example just look at the problems twitter is having, many believe it’s because of ruby on rails which i totally agree. CI has a lot more to prove than EE2 itself.

- confidence. trust. it’s a big deal to move to new platform, it’s also very scary. i’m gonna stop here

some notes to consider:

- the “Apple” way of doing things with EE doesn’t work. sure they’ve got a lot of buzz behind their products but i don’t think you guys should have come out with the notions of EEv2 before having a beta around the corner. now you’ve promised something that has got a few people excited and they can’t wait for it, yet you guys are still in the early days of coding. not very smart. today apple announced iPhone 3G and set a release date. you guys have to learn how to help and control buzz.

- you guys are not leveraging the power of your own community. just because you don’t work like “open source” doesn’t mean that people are not willing to help. they can contribute with ideas, better way of doing things, and with latest trends and technologies. i’m pretty sure once EE2 comes out it would still be a year or 2 behind the latest trends of web. it won’t cause problems if you can contain the river of help and requests that comes on. it’s all about management these days!

i’ll stop right here.

Hi BamBam,

It seems I am answering a lot as I am awake in Australia but here is my take -

Plugins, Extensions and Modules can be ported across to EE 2.0 and won’t be obsolete (unless the functionality is built into EE 2.0) and even then they will still work once converted to CodeIgniter.

If EE isn’t what you need then perhaps you can choose another CMS?

Considering these are the guys developing CI then I have full confidence. Does 37Signals have an Ruby on Rails problems? I don’t think so.

Plus the fact that there are several apps built on CI that are out there and proving themselves on a daily basis. I think CI needs to prove itself to you so perhaps give it a go or read the forums?

As for knowing when it will release so you can base your projects on it, I suggest choosing the tool that is right for you today. What if they release a date and you base your business on it only to be disappointed with the features (which I’m sure you won’t be) anyway?

Would you blame EllisLab or yourself for not making a sound business decision?

I am glad they are leaking out different bits of info as it shows they are ‘leveraging the community’ and listening to us.

In the mean time I am building sites and making money with EE 1.63.

Good luck and I hope you find what you’re looking for!

i know what i say doesn’t matter,...

Well, heck, than I’ll stop reading right there!

Here are some of my thoughts:

Plugins: almost all are free. I’ve written plugins (and extensions) and offer them for free. Some are well worth the nominal fees. A few are overpriced (in my opinion). What plugin do you need off the bat that you know you have to pay for? Or don’t you know yet?

confidence. trust. Hang around these forums for a while and you’ll see the kind of community EE has. Helpful. And I trust EllisLab will deliver the goods, when the goods are ready. As it is…I’m happily using 1.6.3, and will continue to do so. I quote my jobs knowing I’ll install 1.6.3, and work with what I have.

i’m pretty sure once EE2 comes out it would still be a year or 2 behind the latest trends of web.

Hanh? There is nothing web trendy I can’t do with EE now, let alone with 2.0. Dynamically driven XML files feeding Flash, jQuery carousels and lightboxes up the ying-yang, embedded video players..whatever you can think of. Maybe I’m missing your point.

Anyway, good luck with your CMS decision!

Considering this vivid discussion going on here, I’d like to give my 0.2$ to this.

a little side note about my use of drupal. i’ve been using drupal for 2 years, i’ve co-built more than 20-30 different projects with it. though many argue it’s powerful but it’s not fast and it’s very rigid… ...and also customizing is not that easy!

By quickly adding another sidenote, considering Drupal. I have to disagree with you about how difficult it is in Drupal to customize it or even build customized applications running inside of Drupal. We’ve been using it too for a long time, even wrote a couple of modules ourselves some of which are far from uncomplicated and not complex. In my eyes, Drupal makes a better job than EE in terms of modules and extensions providing a wonderful and also well documented API (as I mentioned in another post, hooks is one thing, but preg_replacing html code to “hook” my UI stuff into the CP is far from a comfortable MVC API).

But it’s not the topic here. Personally I think that there a projects, where EE fits much better than other CMS, for some other tasks EE is far from perfect and powerful but there is almost no CMS being perfect out of the box without any flaws.

EE provides very many features already integrated in their application, that’s why EE is so powerful for some projects. Any software developer knows that deadlines are very hard to meet and almost all of them are late on delivery.

I have to agree with some of the things mentioned here. It would be nice to know the priorities or shed some light on the backend details but as Masuga said, for now, we’re just dealing with EE 1.6 (or other CMS) and looking forward to the new release.