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I have to say I’m totally in the noob-friendly camp, I can’t understand the attitude of people that can spend the time being sarcastic to noobies when they could probably help them out in less keystrokes. It’s a shitey, horrible attitude to roll with. Most of the people who do it are well versed in the subject and 90% of the time it’s nothing more than ego-stroking. I’m a noob in more things than I’m expert in and sometimes it can be difficult to locate the information your looking for, either it’s hard to find the correct search terms or what your finding doesn’t quite cover the problem your facing, sometimes your on a roll and your getting held up by one pissy little thing that you know is easy to fix and you just want it sorted so you can get back to the meat of what your doing.

There is probably a good argument for a noobie/anything-goes forum cos most of the time the simple, oft repeated questions can be answered by other noobies who are happy to help out others who have hit the same problems they’ve faced when getting started.

There are plenty of people doing fantastic things in CI but if you ignore the [wankword]long-tail[/wankword] then your just strangling the community.

That’s my tuppence anyway.

PS. I’ll add that I’ve never personally had any grief from anyone even for my first embarrassingly stupid question.

I’ll have to disagree, you can’t judge a CI power user on the amount of posts he/she has.

This is particularly true for this site… I have 7000+ posts on the ExpressionEngine site, but know relatively little about CI. Would I be welcome there, then? I mean, I’m not going to ask stupid questions (I hope), but you see what I mean.

On the other hand, I would be in favor of a special section where newbies are free to ask their questions (any question) without being subjected to the (increasing) sarcasms of more experienced users.

That has some merit actually, I think. Say “Newbie’s Corner”, or whatever, and those tired of the FAQs just don’t go there. I like the idea.

I know a lot of newbies ask questions that appear obvious to “gurus”. My answer to that is: so what? What’s the big deal?

Well, there’s no need to be rude, but there is little excuse to not using the search, either.

Yes, we have you on our special watch list.  We are waiting for you to post a stupid question so we can rip into you.

I’ll have to disagree, you can’t judge a CI power user on the amount of posts he/she has.

This is particularly true for this site… I have 7000+ posts on the ExpressionEngine site, but know relatively little about CI. Would I be welcome there, then? I mean, I’m not going to ask stupid questions (I hope), but you see what I mean.

On the other hand, I would be in favor of a special section where newbies are free to ask their questions (any question) without being subjected to the (increasing) sarcasms of more experienced users.

That has some merit actually, I think. Say “Newbie’s Corner”, or whatever, and those tired of the FAQs just don’t go there. I like the idea.

I know a lot of newbies ask questions that appear obvious to “gurus”. My answer to that is: so what? What’s the big deal?

Well, there’s no need to be rude, but there is little excuse to not using the search, either.

Yes, we have you on our special watch list.  We are waiting for you to post a stupid question so we can rip into you.

To be honest I am not rude or sarcastic to noobies, as I used to be one myself, but one question I did find very stupid, apart from my own, was the one about what a real server was. I mean if you had a high enough spec pc with LAMP, MAMP,or WAMP it could be classed as a real server.

@hepps74:
I believe you don’t have to be afraid of posting a stupidly simple question when you really need same quick answer. You may not get any answer, but on the CI forum you most likely will and definietly not something rude.

There seems to be 3 kind of questions:
1. A well detailed question is likely to get answered soon, because experts won’t have to think about what you’re asking, and therefore it won’t take much time for them to explain the answer or to show you where to find it.
2. If your question lacks in details, you have less chance to get the answer and you’re likely to be asked for more details so it won’t be something fast. But I don’t think you’ll get funny answers unless you’re question is funny itself.
3. Now rude answers tend to be given to people who ask questions _completely_ off topic. People who come here and have no clue what CodeIgniter is about. Or when you’re caught cheating.

I think one of the reasons this topic came up was that someone opened a topic with basicly no info about himself and asked for a job. Than he was asked to provide something and he showed a couple of alpha/beta staged development and even that wasn’t (fully) his work. Now you don’t want to that… 😊

What I’m trying to say is that if you have a question, just make sure you’re question will qualify as type #1 and you should be fine. 😉

I agree, in principle, but there can be too much of a good thing. Try to keep it as long as necessary, but as short as possible. If you provide your whole template, a dozen questions and the story of your life, a number of people just won’t bother. Keep it to the point, post the snippet that you have problems with, and chances of a useful reply are much greater.

Just to clarify it was more a rant on forums in general than about this one, I’ve never had any problems here. Of course if someone comes saying ‘Can anyone do this homework assignment for me’ they should naturally be flamed to death although I’ve even seen some bigger hippytreehuggingcrap-artists that myself deal with these with patience but you’ve got to draw the line somewhere. 😊

I’ve been a member here since March 7 of this year.  I finally asked my first question last night, because up until that time every question I had I was able to get the answer by searching the forums here or a quick Google search. 

The responses I got to my first question rocked!  I may be a newbie here on CodeIgniter forums, and I may be new to this framework, but I’m not new to programming.  I’ve been I’ve been a member here since March 7 of this year.  I finally asked my first question last night, because up until that time every question I had I was able to get the answer by searching the forums here or a quick Google search. 

The responses I got to my first question here rocked!  But then again, although I am a newbie (on this forum), you’ll never see me post like one.  Creating a useless post is just a waste of everyone’s time.  I’m busy.  If you want me to read your post, then give me a title that grabs my attention and tells me what it’s about, not “I need help” which is, IMHO, useless.

I’ve been a member here since March 7 of this year.  I finally asked my first question last night

And it’s not even about CI, couldn’t you asked your question on a linux forum to keep your slate clean 😉

And it’s not even about CI, couldn’t you asked your question on a linux forum to keep your slate clean 😉

That’s why I posted in the Lounge 😉

Besides, I’m looking for Linux not just for the sake of linux, but for developing CI apps, and who better to let me know which distro is best for that purpose?  At least that was my reasoning.  I didn’t want to start a fight on a Linux forum over which distribution was best.  :coolsmile:

Besides, I’m looking for Linux not just for the sake of linux, but for developing CI apps, and who better to let me know which distro is best for that purpose?  At least that was my reasoning.

I find it a bit strange people search for a OS or tools to develop with a php framework. You form the tools and OS to work as comfortable as you want. The perfect OS or tool for developing doesn’t exist because everyone has his way of doing things.

noob here.

can someone tell me how to post in this forum?

*runs*

CodeIgniter forums are great. It’s just normal for noobs to ask those questions. Years ago, the classic response was “Read the man pages!”. Now it is “Search the forum before posting”.

The only thing I’d change here would be the signatures. I’d limit them to two lines of text, no images. The only purpose images serve is self-promotion, which most often doesn’t bring much value to community. They do however disrupt the reading flow.

Yeah, those big Ellislab signatures sure are a pain. :lol: :lol:

Yeah, those big Ellislab signatures sure are a pain. :lol: :lol:

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I have to agree that in recent months/weeks I’ve noticed many more noobs asking the same questions that have been answered again and again. I also agree that it isn’t a good idea to be excessively rude, as that fosters a less friendly spirit in the community (read: it’s contagious), but at the same time people should be reminded of etiquette/rules.

One particular topic that repeatedly comes up is .htaccess/mod_rewrite configuration. It might be a good idea to make one of the good threads on the subject sticky.

I like the ideas proposed of a “newbie corner” and “guru lair”. Of course the ideas probably could use some refinement, but I think it might be a step in the right direction. It has become increasingly difficult for me to find and stay current with interesting topics on the forums. It would be nice if we could get RSS for search results, like del.icio.us allows. I find generating RSS for everything and allowing subscriptions to tags to be very useful. I don’t like it when there is more noise than signal, and I don’t think others in the community do either.

Because I have found it more difficult to find interesting topics to contribute to on the forums I have started hanging out on the #codeigniter IRC channel, and I have to say, it’s been a nice change. Not only does it give me another way to monitor the pulse of the community, I think the nature of IRC filters out many of the less technically attuned CI users.

Again, I don’t think it’s right to shun newbies, but at the same time it’s important to keep more knowledgeable members of the community around and involved. Just my 2 cents.