Man I can’t wait to actually see 2.0 in action…

Just adding some counterweight concerning the design, I love it!
I too think some of the text is a bit on the big site, but looking at it from a client perspective it is perfect!

[client] Big means readable and easy to find [/client]

Cheers,
Elwin

p.s. guess I have to dive into CI now…

Cocoaholic - 09 March 2008 09:16 AM

p.s. guess I have to dive into CI now…

Same here. Guess I’ll download it fairly soon and see if I can wrap my head around it so hopefully I will have a slight head-start when EE 2.0 finally comes out

Best wishes,

Mark

But why. For my point of view EE 2.0 should be usable without using the CI. Anyway, hopefully we dont have to start use CI just to use incoming EE. In the end i think i must also DL CI just in case but im not hoping that i need to learn 2 new things when its time. =)

The whole CI story would (most likely) only affect Add-On developers.
I don’t think you have to worry about that, tuittu.

I doubt the “average/normal” EE user/developer will have to dig into CI., just as you don’t have to know PHP or anything about the underlying code to build a site now. If on the other hand you want to build your own custom parts, add-ons, etc. you will do that using the CI framework.

I don’t want to be annoying, but does anyone know when we’ll be able to test EE2.0 ?
Just to have a idea ? Weeks, Months… ?

Simon-a - 09 March 2008 12:06 PM

I don’t want to be annoying, but does anyone know when we’ll be able to test EE2.0 ?
Just to have a idea ? Weeks, Months… ?

Unfortunately the standard answer is :

“It’ll be ready when it’s ready!”

This doesn’t really help any of us but the EE crew don’t like to put a date on such things which is understandable really otherwise they might get stuck on some code and then not be able to keep their delivery date promise.

It is a bit of a brain-mess-up though when they very teasingly tempt you with screen-shots for something that might not come out for quite a while though. Naughty EE team, here’s a slap from me!!

Best wishes,

Mark

I don’t want to be annoying, but does anyone know when we’ll be able to test EE2.0 ?
Just to have a idea ? Weeks, Months… ?

My personal guess is that since there is a screen-shot from the demo of the control panel with a build number saying april 08 in it that may be a clue as to when they might anticipate the beta released to developers for accessory add-on testing. Of course, no one should bank on that. But, for those of us waiting, it’s fun to imagine that this might be EllisLab’s way of giving a clue without officially commenting or committing to a time frame.

That’s my .02 cents, now watch me be wrong!

Rob Q - 09 March 2008 12:21 PM

My personal guess is that since there is a screen-shot from the demo of the control panel with a build number saying april 08 in it that may be a clue as to when they might anticipate the beta released to developers for accessory add-on testing.

Yes but it’s actually the 1st April so that could be them playing a little joke on us couldn’t it now!!

Best wishes,

Mark

Mark Bowen - 09 March 2008 12:15 PM

Simon-a - 09 March 2008 12:06 PM

I don’t want to be annoying, but does anyone know when we’ll be able to test EE2.0 ?
Just to have a idea ? Weeks, Months… ?

Unfortunately the standard answer is :

“It’ll be ready when it’s ready!”

I was not really honest about it, I already knew what the answers will look like
I just don’t know how I gonna sleep now, after looking at EE screenshot!!

It’s gonna be hard to wait still!

Simon-a - 09 March 2008 12:29 PM

I was not really honest about it, I already knew what the answers will look like
I just don’t know how I gonna sleep now, after looking at EE screenshot!!

It’s gonna be hard to wait still!

I know exactly what you mean! My wife has had to knock me over the head with a book a few times as I am going mad with anticipation!!

Best wishes,

Mark

Yes but it’s actually the 1st April so that could be them playing a little joke on us couldn’t it now!!

Absolutely, but now that date creates even more speculation on intent and your response just adds to the “will they or won’t they” which I would say is the sole reason that specific day of the month was chosen. It adds to the anticipation and speculation.

Rob Q - 09 March 2008 12:34 PM

Yes but it’s actually the 1st April so that could be them playing a little joke on us couldn’t it now!!

Absolutely, but now that date creates even more speculation on intent and your response just adds to the “will they or won’t they” which I would say is the sole reason that specific day of the month was chosen. It adds to the anticipation and speculation.

Couldn’t agree more!

Darn them for doing that though

Best wishes,

Mark

EE 2.0 is actually being built in CodeIgniter, rather than simply being integrated with it.  this has some great implications, one being that the two communities will become close and can help each other.  in terms of how that will effect EE users, it will should not complicate things - you won’t have to learn it to use 2.0.  but it will give us add-on developers a superb framework on which to develop and integrate our apps.

i plan on elaborating on this more once i get home from sxsw (it was well worth the journey from dublin, and its nice to know that the team of developers that we respect so much are all really cool, level-headed people!)

iain - 09 March 2008 05:37 AM

I have the same concerns, hopefully the status bar at the bottom of this screengrab is not a function other than a toggle being called.

That’s just a standard Safari function when you hover over a link and hold the command key.

Well, you and Pixelated .

I strongly suspect this new Control Panel design will be readily skinned.

The look for the show seems aimed directly at the Rails and want-that-look people - probably a good capability to show, ‘in their language’, for future sales.

What I noticed was that the capabilities of the CP are now organised in a logical way; no more hunt decades of menus for what you need. 

Thus the reduced version of the CP that website construction customers see ought to be quite a bit easier for them to follow.

Imagine that with the button-down, woven collar Arrow shirt look applied, and you are there for worries about various sizes of businesses.

I suspect EE folk will be sensible as ever, about assuring it all works without Ajax or Jquery.  Rather, it will just work better, when they are there.

Speculating on when; well, that’s a mug’s game, isn’t it?  We already see some fishing for the features direction in 1.62, so they are carefully testing various waters.

I admit I hoped for something other than PHP as a ‘what other language could we use’, but in fact it has been sounding like Code Ignitor is the bee’s knee’s to keep from having to do messy functionality.  Just as EE is where it suits.  Probably this is then a very good decision, the CI rebuild. Presumably they will have a solid beta program to root out issues.  The same in terms of a helping hand to developers to get the important extras up to date.

Realistic?  I hope so, and likely think so, after a while to see how the Ellis team sees things and pulls them together.  That second part is especially impressive. 

Best to each, and great luck with the show…
Regards,
Clive

Mark Bowen - 09 March 2008 09:00 AM

I have to agree with PXLated I’m afraid (btw that’s not a dig at you PXlated! )

I think the design is nice but just not right for this kind of application. EE has very quickly grown into an outstandingly capable application and I just think that the design (again no offence to Veerle as she is an excellent designer) doesn’t quite reflect this. Of course we haven’t seen a final version or one with all the AJAXy goodness in it so I am definitely going to hold reservation until I too get my grubby little hands on it

Best wishes,

Mark

tuittu - 09 March 2008 09:46 AM

But why. For my point of view EE 2.0 should be usable without using the CI. Anyway, hopefully we dont have to start use CI just to use incoming EE. In the end i think i must also DL CI just in case but im not hoping that i need to learn 2 new things when its time. =)

Right, the so called “CodeIgniter integration” or whatever you want to call it should be totally invisible to the user.  I doubt downloading CodeIgniter now will give anyone any sort of head start on developing ExpressionEngine 2.X.  Only Ellislab knows the end result and I bet building things in ExpressionEngine will still be much different than building in CodeIgniter.

With few details, imaginations tend to run wild.  I will probably look back and laugh at my own thoughts on the subject when everything finally releases.

EE 2.0 is actually being built in CodeIgniter, rather than simply being integrated with it.  this has some great implications, one being that the two communities will become close and can help each other.  in terms of how that will effect EE users, it will should not complicate things - you won’t have to learn it to use 2.0.  but it will give us add-on developers a superb framework on which to develop and integrate our apps.

i plan on elaborating on this more once i get home from sxsw (it was well worth the journey from dublin, and its nice to know that the team of developers that we respect so much are all really cool, level-headed people!)

I posted a bunch of stuff on this too.  Click my sig to see.

I admit I hoped for something other than PHP as a ‘what other language could we use’, but in fact it has been sounding like Code Ignitor is the bee’s knee’s to keep from having to do messy functionality.

Why other than PHP?  I’m sure the last thing Ellislab needs to stuff into their busy schedule is to become expert with other languages and then rewrite everything in one or more of those languages.

Here’s a change to look at. 

It’s just a few color changes, using Replace Color in wonderful Photoshop CS3 - one for the buttons, and one for the strong element in upper right with sign-in name.

I also blanked Veerle’s logo, as that is part of the original effect.  What I actually did here was the put Masugo’s in place, as it is a quite professional job, and adds a lot in the direction I think you guys are seeking.

You’ll have to do that last yourself, as didn’t want to use Masugo’s property of course.

I admire Veerle’s work, and think she’s actually done a great job here, and in how much she may have influenced the clearer functionality.  That a few color changes and a logo change can lead to a quite different and useful feel is evidence of her design thinking.

I imagine she was asked to use a color scheme fitting the Ellis Labs sites, for this demo at the Show.  Take away that orange, and shift the greens to blueish-greens that are cooler for business and tech, and this is what you get.  Max size I could make it and still post here.

Regards,
Clive