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Which would you rather have - "Multiple Site Manager" or a "Pro Ecommerce" product?
Multiple Site Manager 10
Pro Ecommerce Product 49
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general product enhancements 11
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Was 1.6 upgrade worth it without ecommerce?
Posted: 10 July 2007 03:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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I don’t view everything in EE positively. I’m a little bummed that I can’t add a rudimentary sort of social networking to my site because of licensing issues. I still wish you could nest forums in the forum module. And so on, and so forth…

But here’s the thing… You can rant and rave about how you mean things positively all day, but when your tone is aggressive, people will take your words aggressively. I’ll gladly see your squeaky wheel cliché, and raise you a “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”

Also, it’s not only rude to try and bring the e-mail and IP tracing (which has already been pointed out is AUTOMATIC in most modern forum softwares) out to create some sort of reaction, it’s childish, and unlikely to win you any sympathy. It also speaks volumes that until Paul’s post here, no EllisLab employees had posted in this thread, instead preferring to be discreet and send you an e-mail, while you come back and try to blow the whistle and shout, for more attention.

Forgive me for feeding the troll, I won’t do it anymore.

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Posted: 10 July 2007 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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Wow - you know maybe I shouldn’t have posted my response about the email I’m received from Paul. I not trying to get the community in a “tizz-E.” I don’t care about attention. I just was voicing my opinion and was a little disturbed by getting an private email regarding a post.

However, again, if I have offended anyone—I apologize. I apologize for offending you, not for my views regarding the product.

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Posted: 10 July 2007 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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My daddy always told me…

$%&* in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up the fastest. tongue rolleye

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Posted: 10 July 2007 03:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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nice stephenslater

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Posted: 10 July 2007 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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I hope you know I was teasing.  I’m not emotionally caught up in this at all.  I’m sorry you guys are.

Peace!

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Posted: 10 July 2007 03:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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Me too stephenslater. Me too.

I’m telling you - and i really mean this - this is the greatest online community in regards to a development tool/platform. The greatest!! Take that anyway you want. This community cares! Cares about the product, cares about the users, and cares about the company. It doesn’t get better than that!

...Now when can I get that Ecommerce tool!! cheese

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Posted: 10 July 2007 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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Eh, I’m not emotionally involved, either.

Just something to do to distract me from work. ;P

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Posted: 10 July 2007 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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I have pointy ears and green blood, so no emotion here…

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Posted: 10 July 2007 08:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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1.6 rocks. As someone who makes (made…) extensive use of Mark Huot’s static pages module (now renamed ‘Tome’) the addition of the built-in Pages module turned my crank just fine.

I personally wish e-commerce would die. I’m sick of thinking about it, talking about it, and seeing EllisLab get pestered about it. (Actually ecommerce is pretty nifty from a user standpoint, but I can’t stand developing commerce sites). EllisLab will get to it when they get to it. Carry on!

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Posted: 10 July 2007 08:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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My sentiments exactly: Keep calm and carry on.

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Posted: 10 July 2007 09:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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Ingmar, those t-shirts are fantastic. Interesting little history behind that, too. And indeed..carry on!

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Posted: 11 July 2007 12:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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Yes, very British, I thought. You know, pip pip, jolly good show, stiff upper lip and such. Well, I got me one, at any rate.

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Posted: 11 July 2007 01:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]  
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stephenslater - 09 July 2007 06:56 PM

I suspect a good ecommerce module is larger and more complex than EE and all of it’s modules combined.  Not to mention the documentation and homework Ellis Lab has to do in order to support the product.

Stephen is correct here.  It has been a truly immense project, particularly given the tiny size of our dev team, which not only must advance EE itself but squash bugs and help with support.  If I could magically make a commerce system appear I would.  It’s been the single most requested item, and one that I believe will be very successful for us.

A commerce system, when you consider everything it needs to do, from shipping, to collecting tax (the state of New York alone has a couple hundred different tax rates), to discounts, to coupons, to financial reporting, to integration with all the different credit card processing gateways, to management of products, to security, etc., is really a large software application in its own right.  It will likely eclipse the size of all our other modules combined.

People sometimes think we’re a big company because we have a nice site and a large community, but we’re actually a pretty small team.  Until a couple years ago it was basically Paul and I, so we are growing, fortunately, which means our development is getting faster.  The bottom line is we’re doing the best we can, and as another person mentioned, we really do care about our product and our community, and we do try to make decisions that are in the best interest of everyone.

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Posted: 11 July 2007 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]  
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Sure, I’d like a e-commerce module NOW, but EllisLab has an excellent record for putting out quality. I trust you guys to do it right, as fast you can.

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Posted: 11 July 2007 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]  
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Rick Ellis - 11 July 2007 01:01 AM
stephenslater - 09 July 2007 06:56 PM

I suspect a good ecommerce module is larger and more complex than EE and all of it’s modules combined.  Not to mention the documentation and homework Ellis Lab has to do in order to support the product.

Stephen is correct here.  It has been a truly immense project, particularly given the tiny size of our dev team, which not only must advance EE itself but squash bugs and help with support.  If I could magically make a commerce system appear I would.  It’s been the single most requested item, and one that I believe will be very successful for us.

A commerce system, when you consider everything it needs to do, from shipping, to collecting tax (the state of New York alone has a couple hundred different tax rates), to discounts, to coupons, to financial reporting, to integration with all the different credit card processing gateways, to management of products, to security, etc., is really a large software application in its own right.  It will likely eclipse the size of all our other modules combined.

People sometimes think we’re a big company because we have a nice site and a large community, but we’re actually a pretty small team.  Until a couple years ago it was basically Paul and I, so we are growing, fortunately, which means our development is getting faster.  The bottom line is we’re doing the best we can, and as another person mentioned, we really do care about our product and our community, and we do try to make decisions that are in the best interest of everyone.

Hi Rick,

Will you be assembling an advisory board of e-commerce developers to help with the most important features for the Full E-Commerce Module?

I think it will help you tighten it down based on developers experiences on what really should go in there as well as your own good ideas.

Lastly (if this is the case) I think you should say you aim to release it as part of EE 2.0 as it will stop threads like this developing. That said, it would be great to be spoon fed the odd blog post letting us know about the development so far without speaking about specific features (as we all know they could change).

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Posted: 11 July 2007 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]  
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stinhambo - 11 July 2007 04:55 PM

Lastly (if this is the case) I think you should say you aim to release it as part of EE 2.0 as it will stop threads like this developing.

Wouldn’t that be giving an “ETA” of sorts which they have clearly stated they won’t do?

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Posted: 11 July 2007 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]  
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stinhambo - 11 July 2007 04:55 PM

Lastly (if this is the case) I think you should say you aim to release it as part of EE 2.0 as it will stop threads like this developing.

Wouldn’t that be giving an “ETA” of sorts which they have clearly stated they won’t do?

Not really as ETA means Estimated TIME of Arrival. Saying that it will ship with EE 2.0 doesn’t pin them down to any time as they haven’t announced an ETA for that either.

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Posted: 11 July 2007 11:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]  
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So, how is that better/different than saying “it will be ready when it’s ready” (incidentally, that’s true for EE 2.0 as well.)

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